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Harboring doubts about Obama

Postby Dr. Ron » July 23rd, 2008, 9:53 am

Nope .....he will not be elected. He has already started to blow his lead. Remember, Kerry was ahead of of Bush in the polls at this point in 04. He blew it big time.

Obama will continue to make flip flops look like manly footwear until he totally erods his base.....which he is doing quickly.
Remember, his base is the radical left.......there are few of them but they are loud....now he is trying to move toward the center and they will have none of that.

He will soon be discovered for what he is........a stupid half-breed.
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Re: Harboring doubts about Obama

Postby EagerBeaver » July 23rd, 2008, 10:08 am

Dr. Ron wrote:He will soon be discovered for what he is........a stupid half-breed.


I apologize for posting this, but I find the "half-breed" comment offensive. I won't get into why but I just don't find that comment in good taste.
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Re: Harboring doubts about Obama

Postby Pastor Bill » July 23rd, 2008, 10:28 am

Dr. Ron wrote:Nope .....he will not be elected. He has already started to blow his lead. Remember, Kerry was ahead of of Bush in the polls at this point in 04. He blew it big time.

Obama will continue to make flip flops look like manly footwear until he totally erods his base.....which he is doing quickly.
Remember, his base is the radical left.......there are few of them but they are loud....now he is trying to move toward the center and they will have none of that.

He will soon be discovered for what he is........a stupid half-breed.


I don't think that's his base. Yes they want him, but he also is pulling the racial votes (and yeah that "half-breed" comment surprised me Ron, not like you, a little offensive) as well as the Anti-Bush/Anti-War group, and he's more charismatic so he's pulling most of those on the fence right now, unless they see him as Muslim which he is working to cover enough on the surface to still swing alot of votes.

So far I see this race as the Pro-Obama against the Anti-Obama, and VERY few actually pulling for McCain.
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Harboring doubts about Obama

Postby Dr. Ron » July 23rd, 2008, 10:33 am

Sorry if I offended you. He was the one who used the term about himself early on in his campaign when asked about his ethnicity.

Being one myself, I can say it.....you can't. I want YOU to be offended for me....but I can say what I please IF I am what I call someone else.

Isn't that the way the game is played.

I am offended that he claims to be black when he is clearly NOT a black. He is officially a "Mulatto".

Sorry Bev, I come accross as a little crass sometime. But this idiot is making a fool out of intelligent people and he can't get in out of the rain. He is so far over his head he doesn't even know straight up!
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harboring doubts about Obama

Postby Dr. Ron » July 23rd, 2008, 10:36 am

Pastor Bill, I honestly don't know where you are getting your facts.

I just heard not more than an hour ago what I posted.

Obama has a 2 % lead in the polls with a 3% margin of error. The "leaners" were more toward McCain than Obama.

This was the big polster......

Seriously, I just got that off the radio. It was on the national news.
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Postby DeWayneTN » July 23rd, 2008, 10:37 am

I too think it was a poor choice of words. To the casual reader, it would appear insensitive since 'stupid' precedes the description of race. I don't think you meant it that way but that's how it could easily come across.
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Harboring doubts about Obama

Postby Dr. Ron » July 23rd, 2008, 10:41 am

BTW, when did the PC police come to J2 and when did "half-Breed" become an offensive word. I have been called that all my life and don't feel any offense at all. It's getting so we can't say anything any more. I am offended that people are offended so easily.

It is a descriptive adjective that alludes to one being sired by people of differing races. It is not an issue in our family as we have quite a mixture of family. It is certainly not meant as a term of disrespect.

I also don't understand anyone being offended unless they are children of that situation who are "embarrassed" by their heritage. I am not.
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Postby DeWayneTN » July 23rd, 2008, 10:49 am

Half-breed isn't out of bounds, in my opinion. I think if you had separated the two, it would be different, like if you said "he is stupid and he is a half-breed." But to put them together, at first glance, it would seem like it's saying he is stupid because he is half-breed, like any number of derogatory ethnic slurs where the descriptor precedes the race (there are multiple examples but let's just go with a still-acceptable one - Fighting Irish).
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Postby Pastor Bill » July 23rd, 2008, 10:54 am

Dr. Ron, I wasn't offended, but it did surprise me because it came across sounding like it was a reason he was stupid and/or a reason people wouldn't vote for him.

If it were dropped and the statement just said "He will soon be discovered for what he is........stupid" I think it would have portrayed more of what you meant, and not come across as a racial slur. It wasn't as much the use of the term, but it's use in connection with labeling him, and specifically labeling him as stupid.
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Harboring doubts about Obama

Postby Dr. Ron » July 23rd, 2008, 10:55 am

I sincerely apologize to my most sensitive friends who may or may not be stupid..........or may or may not be half-breeds...

Seriously, grow some skin.....don't be so easily offended. I do apologize if I appeared to be "insensitive" .....not what I intended.

However, both words and phrases apply to Obama. He is a blight on this nation's integrity.
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Postby Dr. Ron » July 23rd, 2008, 10:58 am

I stand before you with bowed head and hands folded in front of me .

I accept that I made a bad choice of connecting adjectives. I apologize and would not ever make a racial slur. I have no need of such.

I stand corrected and genuinely apologetic for my breach of decorum.
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Re: harboring doubts about Obama

Postby Pastor Bill » July 23rd, 2008, 10:59 am

Dr. Ron wrote:Pastor Bill, I honestly don't know where you are getting your facts.

I just heard not more than an hour ago what I posted.

Obama has a 2 % lead in the polls with a 3% margin of error. The "leaners" were more toward McCain than Obama.

This was the big polster......

Seriously, I just got that off the radio. It was on the national news.


Did the big polster say "his base is the radical left.......there are few of them but they are loud....now he is trying to move toward the center and they will have none of that"?

That doesn't seem like poll results as much as observation about who is thought to be his main supporters. I'll agree he has alot in that group, but he has alot of support from the center as well. The center and even the right aren't behind McCain as much as they are against Obama, and that scares me, that's the type of thing that could sway easily.

I will agree Obama has been running on vague "change" and that may wear thin and show through, as it is seeming to, but McCain will have to step up some to pull in the support, or we may have more apathy just giving it away, or third parties cutting into his support.
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Postby dolfan » July 23rd, 2008, 11:08 am

I understand Dr. Ron's point about the "half-breed" term. I don't take his use there as being racist at all, FTR. It is good, though, to see a bunch of white guys jump up and get all attuned to the potential for racist language.

What about "halfrican"? Even Wikipedia's poor little entry on the word calls it a "possible perjorative". I guess they're waiting for more than 3 people to use the term to see if it is really racist, as if they were still inconclusive on that after Rush Limbaugh used the term (in most liberal circles, that'd be enough to brand it beyond use forever, at least by white people). It is a new word, and even a writer for Slate, the ultra-liberal publication, defended its use.

Biracial is the correct PC code word these days. It is what it is. I'm glad somebody crossed breeds between some Swiss-German-Brits and some Cherokee Indians a long time ago or my daughter wouldn't be alive today!!
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Harboring doubts about Obama

Postby Dr. Ron » July 23rd, 2008, 11:48 am

Yes, pastor bill, that is exactly what the polster said....and i will get the name of the poll,. It is the big one eveyone pays attention to.

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Re: Harboring doubts about Obama

Postby PastorDaniel » July 23rd, 2008, 12:06 pm

Dr. Ron wrote:Sorry if I offended you. He was the one who used the term about himself early on in his campaign when asked about his ethnicity.

Being one myself, I can say it.....you can't. I want YOU to be offended for me....but I can say what I please IF I am what I call someone else.

Isn't that the way the game is played.

I am offended that he claims to be black when he is clearly NOT a black. He is officially a "Mulatto".

Sorry Bev, I come accross as a little crass sometime. But this idiot is making a fool out of intelligent people and he can't get in out of the rain. He is so far over his head he doesn't even know straight up!



From what I've read...he's not even Mulatto....his father was a mix of black and arabic....so he's only 1/4 black....if that!!

I agree with you too about the folks who seem to be oversensitive. I understand their point....but come on....call it like you see it....

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