Harboring any doubts about Obama?

rjjunior · Postby **rjjunior** » July 23rd, 2008, 12:41 pm

PastorDaniel wrote:I agree with you too about the folks who seem to be oversensitive. I understand their point....but come on....call it like you see it....

"Call it like you see it?" Are you giving anyone permission to use perjorative language just because they see it that way? I disagree.

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth..." etc, etc.

Thanks for acknowledging the improper use of words, Dr. Ron.

PastorDaniel · Postby **PastorDaniel** » July 23rd, 2008, 1:09 pm

Give me a break!!! ALL I'm saying is call it like you see it....No one gave anyone permission to do anything.... :roll:

And this is "selective" quoting....you chose NOT to quote the portion where I said that "I understand their point"

Since we're getting scriptural....don't you need to remove the beam from your eye before you reach for the mote in mine!

EagerBeaver · Postby **EagerBeaver** » July 23rd, 2008, 1:50 pm

LOUD NOISES

PastorDaniel · Postby **PastorDaniel** » July 23rd, 2008, 2:22 pm

EagerBeaver wrote:LOUD NOISES

yes...caps insinuate loudness

Paully_44 · Postby **Paully_44** » July 23rd, 2008, 4:46 pm

I think the election, at least the popular vote, will come down to the choice in running mate.

DaJudge · Postby **DaJudge** » July 23rd, 2008, 5:00 pm

Paully_44 wrote:I think the election, at least the popular vote, will come down to the choice in running mate.

You could be right.

PastorDaniel · Postby **PastorDaniel** » July 23rd, 2008, 5:21 pm

Paully_44 wrote:I think the election, at least the popular vote, will come down to the choice in running mate.

I agree...I was talking with a friend and this idea came up...what if Hiliary becomes Obama's running mate(might already be??) and then he's killed...Maybe it's already in her mind.. :shock:

KBevangelist · Postby **KBevangelist** » July 23rd, 2008, 5:24 pm

PastorDaniel wrote:
Paully_44 wrote:I think the election, at least the popular vote, will come down to the choice in running mate.

I agree...I was talking with a friend and this idea came up...what if Hiliary becomes Obama's running mate(might already be??) and then he's killed...Maybe it's already in her mind..

You know that is wild cause I was thinking today. What if something happen to Obama while he is oversees, they will have to choose Hillary.

KB

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » July 23rd, 2008, 6:03 pm

rjjunior wrote:

"Call it like you see it?" Are you giving anyone permission to use perjorative language just because they see it that way? I disagree.

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth..." etc, etc.

Thanks for acknowledging the improper use of words, Dr. Ron.

Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Was Jesus using perjorative language when communicating with the woman from Canaan?

I am not for regularly using spontaneous adjectives that belittle others, but shouldn't we understand the context before jumping for the mute button?

God bless,
pa

rjjunior · Postby **rjjunior** » July 24th, 2008, 10:50 am

PastorDaniel wrote:Give me a break!!! ALL I'm saying is call it like you see it....No one gave anyone permission to do anything....

And this is "selective" quoting....you chose NOT to quote the portion where I said that "I understand their point"

Since we're getting scriptural....don't you need to remove the beam from your eye before you reach for the mote in mine!

Okay, I guess I'm just "calling it like I see it," then. I'm simply disagreeing that "calling it like you see it" is an appropriate rule of thumb when it comes to using slurs. It's not appropriate to say, "Well, if someone looks like (acts like, etc) a N_____, then call them a N____." I'm saying I don't believe someone's else's actions, ethnic mix, whatever, is grounds for us to cast off appropriate restrant in our use corrupt communication.

Is there an oversensitivity in our society? Perhaps. No, I didn't miss your comment about "understanding where they're coming from." In my opinion, you just cancelled it out with the whole "call it like you see it" comment.

I'm not reaching for your mote, brother. If you don't want to accept my submission, don't. If I misunderstood your comment, my apologies. If there is a beam in my eye, help me out bro!

rjjunior · Postby **rjjunior** » July 24th, 2008, 10:55 am

pastorables wrote:
rjjunior wrote:

"Call it like you see it?" Are you giving anyone permission to use perjorative language just because they see it that way? I disagree.

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth..." etc, etc.

Thanks for acknowledging the improper use of words, Dr. Ron.

Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Was Jesus using perjorative language when communicating with the woman from Canaan?

I am not for regularly using spontaneous adjectives that belittle others, but shouldn't we understand the context before jumping for the mute button?

God bless,
pa

To answer your question, yes, Jesus may have been using a perjorative term. He was also attempting to communicate a spiritual truth to her (and us), not trying to belittle her. I would suggest that most of the time when we use that kind of language, it is not for an ultimately edifying purpose, which I do believe Jesus was doing.

Are you suggesting that the comment "stupid half breed" is justified based on Jesus' words? How 'bout the use of the N word in recent history?

Really, I'm not trying to pick a fight over semantics here.

God bless you.

Mole_J · Postby **Mole_J** » July 24th, 2008, 11:34 am

Howard Stern is not voting for Obama.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=138263

PastorDaniel · Postby **PastorDaniel** » July 24th, 2008, 3:46 pm

rjjunior wrote:
PastorDaniel wrote:Give me a break!!! ALL I'm saying is call it like you see it....No one gave anyone permission to do anything....

And this is "selective" quoting....you chose NOT to quote the portion where I said that "I understand their point"

Since we're getting scriptural....don't you need to remove the beam from your eye before you reach for the mote in mine!

Okay, I guess I'm just "calling it like I see it," then. I'm simply disagreeing that "calling it like you see it" is an appropriate rule of thumb when it comes to using slurs. It's not appropriate to say, "Well, if someone looks like (acts like, etc) a N_____, then call them a N____." I'm saying I don't believe someone's else's actions, ethnic mix, whatever, is grounds for us to cast off appropriate restrant in our use corrupt communication.

Is there an oversensitivity in our society? Perhaps. No, I didn't miss your comment about "understanding where they're coming from." In my opinion, you just cancelled it out with the whole "call it like you see it" comment.

I'm not reaching for your mote, brother. If you don't want to accept my submission, don't. If I misunderstood your comment, my apologies. If there is a beam in my eye, help me out bro!

Okay...yes...you took me out of context and misunderstood my post....and yes I accept your submission...now bow before me and kiss the kings ring!! :lol:

I was referring specifically to the "half-breed" comment.

Black is Black
White is White
Green is Green
Mix is Mix
Half is Half
Stupid is Stupid
Dumb is Dumb

"Call it like you see it!" We are "way" to oversensitive about race and ethnic issues.

And I can tell you that I'm the last person to be sending out a racial slur...go back a few pages and find the thread "The Whole Gang"....you'll find a photo of my 4 black children....but I like it how they say it...."we not black, we brown" :lol:

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » July 24th, 2008, 6:49 pm

rjjunior wrote:
Are you suggesting that the comment "stupid half breed" is justified based on Jesus' words?

Not at all. I am suggesting that to call someone a [dog] was risky and did offer the opportunity for someone to be offended. I understand the spiritual lesson in the account, and the woman looked beyond the offense of any stereotype due to her hunger for the Lord. Nevertheless, Jesus did not seem to be one who was finicky with words for the sake of fickle feelings. Remember some of the things he called the pharisees? :shock:

Dr. Ron possibly could have chosen a better way to convey his original point and has said as much. Although I noticed the term, I wasn't bent out of shape over it. This is coming from one who has literally offended people by showing them words in scripture they didn't desire to see there. I have learned to be less sensitive about these kinds of things by being too sensitive about them. Did that make sense?

rjjunior wrote:How 'bout the use of the N word in recent history?

I'm not sure your point. I do not promote the usage of any term which is offered to demean others. By the same, I think all of us are too full of ourselves when it comes to offense.

D.C. Talk did a song that spoke of "two honks and a negro"... This week at our VBS (conducted at a 50/50 blended congregation), one of the young caucasian men put on an afro wig and went around giving the "black power" fist. A young african american returned the salute and we all laughed about it. That occurrence would have offended many from both races, nevertheless, this is the fun you can have when you operate in true love.

God bless,
pa

Dr. Ron · Postby **Dr. Ron** » July 25th, 2008, 5:57 am

Well, this post has attracted some flack.....but if you saw the "speach in Berlin" yesterday, you have to conclude that I was right all along about two things......He is stupid.......and the other part is not debatable.

To compare a "pretender to the throne of the world" (and if you find that offensive, deal with it) , with two presidents is assinine. He is acting as though he is the president.

Then he blows off the military hospitals and says it would be inappropriate for him to visit using campaign funds to do so. He forgets (as he always has) that he is a sitting Senator. How stupid is this guy and his handlers.
This will bite him.

His words were nice.......but no substance...no hard lines of issuance for peace. Of course he forgot something.........there is no cold war any more and the Berlin wall is already down.

He had no people there protesting him and the crowd came because of the "free" rock concerts.

He is not running for President of Germany.

He is stupid.

Jude 2