Book links Obama to massacre of Christians

[Karen]

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=71383

[paul]

For full news article:


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=71383

Karen, no offense but these types of sensationalist articles are so off and are laced with complete bias. The in fighting of tribal leaders in kenya has been going on long before Obama, you or I have been around. It is hard to say because of his or his family links to a tyrant has causitive factors. God know we as america have been in bed with many a tyrants

It is much deeper than the surface issues reported in the news.

Personally, I cann't stomach Obama......and there is real reason to fear him as president. But this type of reporting ( not you ) just makes his oponants look stupid IMHO

[Gerald Creasy]

THis book has a better connection for Obama:

The sixties terrorist group The Weather Underground (now sometimes called The Weathermen Underground)

Even the left leaning press admit that, yeah, One of the Leaders and Obama WERE on the same board of some Anti-poverty group...or yeah, The W U Memeber HAS financially supported Obamas campaigns.

The Book referenced, The Obama Nation, details that that connection is much more intimate.


Now, If McVey had survived and was free and worked with McCain, do you think the Press would yawn??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[paul]

THis book has a better connection for Obama:

The sixties terrorist group The Weather Underground (now sometimes called The Weathermen Underground)

Even the left leaning press admit that, yeah, One of the Leaders and Obama WERE on the same board of some Anti-poverty group...or yeah, The W U Memeber HAS financially supported Obamas campaigns.

The Book referenced, The Obama Nation, details that that connection is much more intimate.


Now, If McVey had survived and was free and worked with McCain, do you think the Press would yawn??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

There is so many negative and scarry connection that he has here in this country...we need not go halfway around the world. I agree with you on this Gerald

[AllenNope]

Come on. Let’s just crucify Obama now and get over it. We probably need to do the same to Regan, Bush sr., Bush jr, Clinton, Kennedy, and Carter just to name a few. They all were in bed with people of questionable character.

I am not looking for a perfect Christian or even a Christian to be president. Christian would be nice but knowledge of world affairs and economics would do. (lacking in both candidates) I find that I disagree with so many issues with each candidate that I cannot simply say that one is better than the other.

You probably have had this conversation before but because I am on edge right now and tired of all the Obama bashing I pose a question to all McCain supporters.

Can you be a Christian and vote for Obama?
If so act like it. If not then explain your theology.

p.s. I will probably not vote for either McCain or Obama, I will vote and write in a name someone.

[RamboPreacher]

from another thread, and is appropriate here in reply to AllenNope:

Beav, I understand about your convictions. I had to weigh mine. Barack Obama is going to oversee the largest expansion in the powers and scope of government in history, larger only than George W. Bush. McCain, if elected, will oversee the largest expansion in the powers and scope of government in history, larger only that George W. Bush.

Barack Obama will appoint Supreme Court justices that approve the continuance of life for people who rape children. McCain won't.

Barack Obama will raise taxes on everybody, period. The increased cost of production of goods and services, the loss of jobs due to economic slowdowns, the investment of capital in foreign industry as opposed to American industry where that investment will leak away in tax dollars ..... all that will cost the working families in America more than it will cost any other segment of the population. It will most directly take money out of their households. Obama's answer to that is to redouble the burden by increasing entitlements simply to keep those people indebted to their wonderful Democrats benefactors. It is slavery by purchased devotion and loss of personal liberty and property rights instead of by capture and loss of personal liberty and property rights.

At the same time, if McCain is elected, he will subsidize large corporations and farm interests. He will move tax dollars into the pockets of corporations in the continuation of gigantic welfare for big companies. This doesn't cost working families directly. They just don't get the entitlements under that scheme. But, McCain WILL subsidize them. He'll do it just as every other president does it, and every other Congress passes laws to make sure it happens.

The difference between Obama and McCain on taxes is that Obama wants to rob the producers of wealth and punish their means (labor) by making it harder for the laborers to get what they want (inflation). McCain wants to reward the producers of wealth with the tax revenues that they are responsible for generating (i.e., through profits) in the first place. Both are designed to keep people devoted to keeping them in power, but McCain's plan hurts the little guy less. Both of them should deregulate everything except nuclear energy, securities exchanges, nursing homes and roads, and get the heck out of all other business (military and defense excluded).

Obama will purposefully derail military spending and redirect it to domestic entitlements and foreign aid and the UN. Period. We will be a bullseye for the world's thugs. He will open our borders to whoever wants to come in and make us vulnerable to far many more dangers than just terrorism, but terrorism too. McCain will open our borders, but there will be some amount of limitation. The difference is giving ourselves, our sovereignty and self-determination away and putting on a whole collectivist, interdependent, "we-are-the-world" way of governing versus keeping some ground, some grip on our sovereignty, without which we must either bow to living like Europe or launching a series of secessions and balkanization among states, violently or otherwise.

Obama as president will destroy this country. McCain will harm it, but it will survive him. When Obama says this moment is historic, he's right. We can either go over into the abyss with him, or we can fight to hold the ground we have as America as the Framers built it and hope for a saner time and group of leaders in the near future.

My convictions run 180 degrees from both of these men. But, if I've got a chance to survive by chewing off my arm to get out of the trap, that's probably what I'm going to do. When I vote for John McCain, that's exactly what I'll be doing, but I'll have one arm and two legs left to fight for the America the Framers built. And, if and when we lose that fight, we can say we fought and didn't give in to some self-aggrandizing rookie in an expensive suit.

[AllenNope]

All that is in the above post could be true. The issue I take very seriously with McCain (which is not mentioned) is that he will vote to take away small pieces of our right to free speech (fair doctrine act). This will be the steps to take away our right to preach and share the gospel in the open.

Everything said about Obama and his economic plan was said about Clinton. That is not a positive but Clinton actually did balance the budget for a year with the help of a republican congress. America did not go off into an abyss. If Obama wins the election we will not go off into an abyss.

Thankfully God is big enough to change the results of election to get Bush as president; I believe if he does not intervene He will use Obama for his purpose.

[dolfan]

....Clinton actually did balance the budget for a year with the help of a republican congress.

Clinton didn't; the Republican Congress left him no choice. In 1995, he said he would balance the budget in 10 years. When the Republican Congress was elected, Gingrich & Co. forced him to veto one in late 1995. The Federal Government shut down (o Glory Be!). By 1998, the federal budget showed a surplus (which was illusory -- there'll never be one). The important note here is that Clinton was the follower and not the leader in that effort. Clinton and Gore were busy "reinventing government".

That whole philosophy, sold as paring down bureaucracy, was a large power grab. The fellow who coined the phrase, David Osborne, said, "We believe deeply in government. We do not look at government as a necessary evil." He also wrote, "those who steer the boat have far more power over its destination than those who row it. Governments that focus on steering [as opposed to rowing] actively shape their communities, state, and nations. They make more policy decisions. They put more social and economic institutions into motion. Some even do more regulating." Power Grab. Sounds a lot like Ted Kennedy's proclamation 3 years ago that "The Democrat Party is the hope of the world." Sounds a lot like Obama's platitudes and his "I have become a symbol of America's best traditions."

Whether it is reinventing government (wherein Gore advocated that the federal executive branch take on what he deemed a "leadership style of management", one that he modeled (by the way) with an awfully hands-on micromanagement style that worked against the very efficiency that he said it would bring about --- and one that the American people were supposed to glom onto precisely because it brought more government product into the market of society), or being the hope of the world (a Congress that can't seem to stay above 10% in approval ratings at home), or having a one-man symbol of America's best traditions (a man who has all of 4 years in national public experience and who has yet to take a substantive position on anything, let alone hold to it), the end goal is the same ----- more power for them, less freedom of choice, less freedom of property for you.

Now, McCain is not going to advance those freedoms, either. He's already helped enact sweeping cuts to 1st amendment rights to free speech via McCain-Feingold. I don't expect he'll be a friend to much of the Bill of Rights. I do expect, though, that he'll be less of a threat to it than Obama.

As to Obama's merits, he's a very smart guy. You don't get to be president of Harvard Law Review by being an idiot. (They have an office called "president" for their Law Review.) However, he's the only one known not to have written an article during his tenure as president of the Review. He wrote "notes", which are medium sized commentaries on issues or other important articles/books, and those are important, but none of his were particularly noteworthy for innovation. On the other hand, even his more conservative counterparts in that position or who interacted with him while he was in that role spoke well of him in it. He does garner some respect, and I suspect it isn't a vacuum between his ears. I wish it were. I think he's savvy to the point of being the possibly most dangerous leader in world history.

I wouldn't vote for McCain if I had any other choice. How I wish desperately that Bob Barr and the Libertarians had a chance to be contenders. Well, that ain't happening. I don't think voting for Obama means you're not a fine Christian. I do believe it means you're less wise than you ought to be.

[pastorables]

I think he's savvy to the point of being the possibly most dangerous leader in world history.

Well written post and I specifically highlight the above quote. Tim, I think you nailed it with that one sentence. There is no way we can realize just how "scary predictive" that remark is to our nation.

Just as with Clinton/Gore, I know those (even within my own family) who will vote for Obama simply based upon the facade that he will save our nation from economic despair. Nothing matters to them except the name Democrat on the ticket and the misguided belief of instant economic upswing.

George W. Bush, even with his blunders, is the only President to ever put money back into my account. He did this three times during his presidency, yet this is rarely ever given the deserved respect.

pa