Israel is the real Russian target?

[one love]

i believe russia and china are going to be a major part of prophecy, they in my opinion are going to jump on the scene quickly.

I know gerald you disagree

[Gerald Creasy]

i believe russia and china are going to be a major part of prophecy, they in my opinion are going to jump on the scene quickly.

I know gerald you disagree

It is not about ME disagreeing.

It's about having NO SCRIPTURE to back up the belief.

I AGREE you have no scripture to back up your belief.

[Full Quiver]

I hear this all the time and it's not that I disagree but that I need someone to show me concrete scriptural evidence. How do people conclude that Russia and China are Gog and Magog? Some folks speak this in absolutes.

[Jennifer Smith]

Ezekiel 38

And no, I don't want to argue about it!

But, I must say Gerald, you do use that "no scripture" argument quite

often. The problem is, you usually aren't willing to accept the scriptures

when they are offered! (I guess that is just your interpretation, but

therefore it isn't exactly correct to say that there is simply "NO

SCRIPTURE" to be found, but more correct to say that you yourself do not

interpret the scripture that is to be found to have any ascribed

meaning other than that which you choose to ascribe to it... (I hope

you take this in a light-hearted manner, Brother Gerald...) sigh.

[Full Quiver]

Ezekiel 38 mentions Libya, Ethiopia, and Persia/Iran. Russia is not mentioned.

[dolfan]

These issues aren't certain, interpretation-wise. That's one reason I started a thread on the doctrine forum about end-times views, etc. When I started this thread, I didn't intend that it should be an end-times proposition, although I didn't intend that it NOT be one if someone could offer a scripturally sound explanation. My main concern is that Russia is acting with no regard for anyone but itself, and that WE are acting with no serious regard for Russia's strategy. This is one time when I agree with John McCain and disagree with Bush, although I'm cynical enough to think that Bush's inaction may be a tactic to actually bolster McCain. I won't discredit McCain by that cynicism, though; actually, politically, it may be pretty shrewd.

[Full Quiver]

Truthfully though, Doesn't Georgia deserve what it gets? They struck first.

Shoot, if the state of Georgia tries to take away Chattanooga from TN we just might call Vladimir and let him put a whoopin on those BullDogs.

[Jennifer Smith]

Ezekiel 38 mentions Libya, Ethiopia, and Persia/Iran. Russia is not mentioned.

Well, I'm no prophecy buff by any means, but this is why I feel I agree with this interpretation: God has "turned against" Gog/Magog- Magog indicating modern-day Russia. This has been a region hard hit by godlessness, drunkenness, poverty. With the fall of communism in Russia, the gospel has been spread somewhat, but there is still much darkness to be overcome.

Moscow is directly to the north of Jerusalem and Ezekiel describes Gog/ Magog as coming "from their place out of the North."
The Bible says they will come from the North, from a "far" (the uttermost, remotest parts- what can be described as more "remote" and "north" than Russia/Siberia?) I wouldn't mind hearing other interpretations, though.

[Karen]

Truthfully though, Doesn't Georgia deserve what it gets? They struck first.

Shoot, if the state of Georgia tries to take away Chattanooga from TN we just might call Vladimir and let him put a whoopin on those BullDogs.

The area of Georgia was a sovern nation until Stalin invaded it and made it part of Russia. When Russia "collapsed" Georgia re-asserted its self to once again be a sovern nation.

Russia does not like the fact that they agreed to allow the US to place our equipment there for the missile shield and decided to once again bring that area back under their control to prevent this from happening as well as to have control of their oil that they had been suppling to the US. In war, oil/fuel is very important to operate all of the equipment.

There is a scripture/prophecy that speaks about the bear raising its self up on one side and that it has three bones/ribs in its mouth if I remember correctly. Someone with more time than I have available right now might want to do some research on that.

[pastorables]

Truthfully though, Doesn't Georgia deserve what it gets? They struck first.

FG,

If you view the pictures that I've viewed of women, children, and civilians being slaughtered mercilessly, I am pretty sure you will rethink that thought.

pa

[Gerald Creasy]

Well, I'm no prophecy buff by any means, but this is why I feel I agree with this interpretation: God has "turned against" Gog/Magog- Magog indicating modern-day Russia. This has been a region hard hit by godlessness, drunkenness, poverty. With the fall of communism in Russia, the gospel has been spread somewhat, but there is still much darkness to be overcome.

Moscow is directly to the north of Jerusalem and Ezekiel describes Gog/ Magog as coming "from their place out of the North."
The Bible says they will come from the North, from a "far" (the uttermost, remotest parts- what can be described as more "remote" and "north" than Russia/Siberia?) I wouldn't mind hearing other interpretations, though.

Jennifer, Karen, Pastorables or any other newspaper eschatologist:

Where does the Bible say Gog and Magog is Modern day russia?

Where does it say Russia will invade Israel?

If it says from the north, with what warrant do you skip Syria. turkey and the Ukraine?

Isnt it stretching it a bit to say Russia is Directly north when in fact it is only the westernmost parts that are directly north, In fact MOST of russia is more north east.

Many times in Jeremiah Jerimah refers to invasion "From the North" when he was talking about Babylon (which was directly to the east)

Zephinah 2:13 describe Assyria being to the North. And even Persia is described as being in the north.

FACT IS -and you may remember this from school- Israel is part of the Fertile Cresent and ANY COUNTRY FRom Portugal to China -if they were to invade Israel vial Land -would HAVE to come through Israels NORTH.


But we all know Perry Stone has precedence over any logic, reasoning or Biblical examination, don't we?

[dolfan]

The only way I can justify Russia's actions is to analogize Georgia to Russia as Cuba is to the USA. Now, that's a stretch, putting it kindly. I arrive there this way: We won't tolerate (I hope) Russian presence in Cuba because it is so close to us. Russia won't tolerate our missile defense, or a NATO alliance with, Georgia because it is so close to them.

That's an oversimplification. We don't need closer nukes to Russia. If that were to somehow unravel, it wouldn't matter who struck first. Everybody's going to be blown to "smithereenees." If there's a strategic advantage to our nukes in Georgia, I don't see it. We haven't been building a defense strategy based on any Russian threat for years. The missile defense shield is not going to protect us or Europe against 14,000 Russian nuke warheads. It might protect us against a limited strike from a rogue nation or militant terrorist group with only a handful. Russia has been invited to participate in that effort and refused, bullheadedly in my view.

Now, if there are broader implications on trade, I can see where Russia would want the territorial influence over Georgia, but this is no way to go about that. It is just senseless. I give Putin more credit than that; he's not stupid. Mean, ruthless? Yeah. Stupid? No, not by a long shot.

I fail to see where this has anything to do, in truth, with anything other than the oil pipeline issue and, ultimately, protecting Iran from Israel.

[pastorables]

Jennifer, Karen, Pastorables or any other newspaper eschatologist:

Gerald,

I have no strong convictions concerning the identity of Gog and Magog as such, but I do believe it to be a future event based upon the following scripture.

Revelation 20:7-8: "Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea."

[dolfan]

Later this week, a substantial addition to our naval presence in the Persian Gulf is due to arrive: the USS Ronald Regan, the Theodore Roosevelt and the Iwo Jima. The USS Abraham Lincoln is already in the Arab Sea and the USS Peleliu is in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden. It will be the largest build-up since prior to the Iraq invasion in 2003. France, Britian and Canada are also increasing their naval forces in the Gulf. If Israel hits Iran, they've already said they'll block oil from leaving the Strait of Hormuz. Well, not if we're there they won't. And, we're there, big time. If Russia responds now by shutting off Caspian Sea oil supplies to coerce the West out of Iran's affairs or to back us off from supporting an attack by Israel, oil from the Strait of Hormuz will be absolutely crucial. If any of this happens, too, understand that our current little party about oil prices going down will be quickly put to rest.

[Karen]

ancient map and info: Gog and Magog

http://hashem1.net/index.php?p=361&sn=G ... gMagog.htm