Israel is the real Russian target?

[Full Quiver]

ancient map and info: Gog and Magog

http://hashem1.net/index.php?p=361&sn=G ... gMagog.htm

(who is called "son of Adam", because as it is known, he was the reincarnation of Adam’s first born, Kain) i

I quit looking at the link when I read the above. This type stuff is exactly what I was referring to in the rightly dividing thread (doctrine forum).


Pastorables, I am aware that there are civilian casualties and brutalities but can we for certain say that Georgia is innocent of such? How many innocent folks have died in Iraq in the past 5 years?

[Karen]

Full Quiver,
I am so sorry about the link. I have not read the entire site but only skimed the area about the map which was the area of interest at the time.

I guess that is what happens when I work 11-12 hours a day over a period of time. I didn't take the care that I usually do. I am so glad that you caught that.

Thank you and please accept my apology. I certainly DO NOT agree with that either!

[Jennifer Smith]

I have no strong convictions concerning the identity of Gog and Magog as such, but I do believe it to be a future event based upon the following scripture.

Revelation 20:7-8: "Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea."

And in addition, Ezekiel 38 & 39 which describe this event repeats the phrase: "in the latter days" (see 38 vs. 8.)

[Gerald Creasy]

And in addition, Ezekiel 38 & 39 which describe this event repeats the phrase: "in the latter days" (see 38 vs. 8.)

Latter days OF WHAT?

[Jennifer Smith]

Later this week, a substantial addition to our naval presence in the Persian Gulf is due to arrive: the USS Ronald Regan, the Theodore Roosevelt and the Iwo Jima. The USS Abraham Lincoln is already in the Arab Sea and the USS Peleliu is in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden. It will be the largest build-up since prior to the Iraq invasion in 2003. France, Britian and Canada are also increasing their naval forces in the Gulf. If Israel hits Iran, they've already said they'll block oil from leaving the Strait of Hormuz. Well, not if we're there they won't. And, we're there, big time. If Russia responds now by shutting off Caspian Sea oil supplies to coerce the West out of Iran's affairs or to back us off from supporting an attack by Israel, oil from the Strait of Hormuz will be absolutely crucial. If any of this happens, too, understand that our current little party about oil prices going down will be quickly put to rest.

This is a very interesting current event, in more ways than one.

Has anyone seen the film, "The Terminal"? I don't know why, but seeing the newspaper headlines about Georgia reminded me of Tom Hank's character's reaction to seeing war taking place in his homeland, via the daily news on television. That was a touching/humorous film, but this really isn't funny... I do feel sorry for those people.

[Karen]

Here is what came to mind earlier today....about the bear.......


Dan 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Dan 7:15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
Dan 7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
Dan 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Dan 7:28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

[Karen]

http://www.vpr.net/episode/43095/


Commentary Series (VPR)
7:55 a.m. and 5:55 p.m. Weekdays


Friday February 29, 2008
Russian Bear


By Paul Richardson



(HOST) Russian Life magazine has been published from Vermont since 1995 by commentator Paul Richardson, who says that, when Russians go to the polls on this Sunday, they will be thinking about bears...

(RICHARDSON) In the 2002 film Oligarch, by Russian director Pavel Lungin, the main character predicts his own downfall, saying, "Russia is a bear. You think you are playing with it and it devours you."

The bear has long been associated with Russia. For over 100 years it has been a mainly derogatory image in Western political cartoons. Yet for thousands of years, the bear has had positive connotations to Slavs. It appears on countless Russian town shields, lovable bear characters abound in cartoons, and the bear Misha was especially beloved as the 1980 Summer Olympics mascot.

Bears also figure richly in the Russian language. In such cases, the bear is often seen as clumsy. In Russian, when you do someone a "bear's favor" your clumsy assistance hurts them more than helps them; when someone has no ear for music, a common idiom has it that a bear stepped on his ear.

Pre-Christian Slavs believed the bear to be their common ancestor. Indeed, the animal was such a powerful symbol of strength and fertility that Russians dared not mention its real name. So they gave it a substitute designation - medved - which was derived from its favorite food. Medved literally means "honey-seeker," or, "the one who knows where the honey is."

Some of the bear's power derived from its annual ritual of entering Mother Earth in the fall, to emerge in the spring, reborn. Until 150 years ago, Russians celebrated a "bear holiday" near the spring solstice, timed to coincide with the bears' supposed emergence from their dens.

Bear imagery has become particularly strong in Russian politics of late. Last year the bear was adopted as the ubiquitous symbol for United Russia, the Kremlin-sponsored political party created to devour all political opposition. And bear symbology reached its peak in December, when President Vladimir Putin annointed Dmitry Medvedev his heir apparent. In Russian, Medvedev literally means, "of the bears." ..................

[Karen]

bump..........

This was a good discussion but most of you seemed to miss it since you were away at the assembly. I thought that I would put it back up front just in case you might have had some thoughts to add.

[one love]

FQ you mentioned they deserve this because of Iraq???so what do you deserve? SHould your family be slaughtered as well because we are in Iraq?
Are you implying that those in Iraq are killing and slaughtering innocent civillians...........If by accident maybe not otherwise

[Karen]

Heres one for you Dolfan. It looks like you are right on target.


Top Russian general names Israel as Georgian arms supplier:

Russian Deputy Chief of General Staff Col.-Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn accused Israel in a Moscow press conference on Tuesday of arming the Georgian military with mines, explosive charges, special explosives for clearing minefields and eight kinds of unmanned aerial vehicles........

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull

[Karen]

Another article of interest that is connected.


Rice: Russia playing very dangerous game

Stern American warning: US Secretary of state says NATO would not allow Moscow to 'draw a new line' in Europe; Rice also slams renewed Russian bomber patrols off Alaska, says this is not 'cost free'
Associated Press

For full story.........

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/Articl ... 99,00.html

[Karen]

Now, Russia has also threatened the Chez Republic because they too have agreed to allow the U.S. to place our missile shield system there.

The "third" rib of Daniel's vision?

[Full Quiver]

Casper, what I said was....

Truthfully though, Doesn't Georgia deserve what it gets? They struck first.

Shoot, if the state of Georgia tries to take away Chattanooga from TN we just might call Vladimir and let him put a whoopin on those BullDogs. Laughing

Georgia struck Ossetia first. Russia defended them. I never mentioned Iraq.

[dolfan]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 573599.ece

Y'all, when I speak of this topic, I am not advocating any prophetic significance to it. I want to make myself clear on that point. If it is biblically significant, then I'm either lost as a goose and don't know it or sufficiently bewildered by the 10,000 theories of end-times scenarios that I've largely given up on it. Either way, Russia is a problem.

[Karen]

Dolfan,
I agree that Russia is a real problem and understand that you didn't intend
for this to be interpereted in any prophetic way. When I watch the news of world events, I watch also for any possible prophetic significance. I always watch for things that he said would come to pass.


Rice signs missile defense deal with Poland Warned of possible NUCLEAR attack.


Deal to install 10 US interceptor missiles just 115 miles from Russia's westernmost frontier strains relations between Moscow, West


After Warsaw and Washington announced the agreement on the deal last week, top Russian Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn warned that Poland is risking attack, and possibly a nuclear one, by deploying the American missile defense system, Russia's Interfax news agency reported.




For full article:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 21,00.html