Ray Boltz

[pastorables]

http://www.rayboltz.com/

His website speaks of people not accepting him if they knew who he really was.

pa

[DaJudge]

I lurk over at the TCOGtalk forum. Usually, they are pretty respectful of COGOP over there (led by the example of our friend One Love), but I ran across this post on their Ray Boltz thread:

Reveals the future of denominational christians who start knocking over dominos.

Sympathy becomes more important than the actual Word of God.

This is the downhill direction of ALL denominations (without repentance) who teach that a PROFESSION OF FAITH is the only requirement of membership.

This is why The Church of God will be especially hated, but will especially SHINE as a City set on a Hill.

[EagerBeaver]

Ugh.

[Paully_44]

not that we should legitimize or accept the sin, but I think the grace and love part is so important.

No kidding. Grace can never be trivialized.

personally, I never liked his music.

But for those that did, and if his music ministered to you.... will it still?

[pastorables]

But for those that did, and if his music ministered to you.... will it still?

That's a great question.

Without confession and repentance, I don't think that I could listen to him sing in the same way as before, although he has written wonderfully inspired songs that are being administered by others.

pa

[one love]

well if you found out how many writers have sin in there life would we quit listing? Now don't get me wrong I agree with the person , how could you sit and hear him sing when he is supposed to be ministering to you, all the while he is in sin....
But the songs that have been written will still be sung because they are good songs and the one singing can still minister.
But I would not go and hear him sing any more then I would go and listen to a gay/sinner preacher, because they could not minister to me.

My .02

[Pastorbps]

I think you all should quit judging him. He's repented because repentance doesn't mean you have to forsake sin. All churches are the same and if his church accepts him who are we to say he isn't Saved. We all have sin so I guess he's going to Heaven and if he isn't then neither are any of us. Why aren't you talking about those singers who are backbiters, gossips, critical, etc? Why are you singling him out? He should be a member of your church or do you have a "Must Be This Tall Sign" at the door of your church? Hmm!

[DaJudge]

I think you all should quit judging him. He's repented because repentance doesn't mean you have to forsake sin. All churches are the same and if his church accepts him who are we to say he isn't Saved. We all have sin so I guess he's going to Heaven and if he isn't then neither are any of us. Why aren't you talking about those singers who are backbiters, gossips, critical, etc? Why are you singling him out? He should be a member of your church or do you have a "Must Be This Tall Sign" at the door of your church? Hmm!

I'm guessing you agree with the moron who posted this on TCOGtalk:

Reveals the future of denominational christians who start knocking over dominos.

Sympathy becomes more important than the actual Word of God.

This is the downhill direction of ALL denominations (without repentance) who teach that a PROFESSION OF FAITH is the only requirement of membership.

This is why The Church of God will be especially hated, but will especially SHINE as a City set on a Hill.

Tell you what. You go join TCOG(smith) TCOG(nabors), TCOG(Indiana), TCOG(N.C) or The Church of God of Wade (if you haven't already) and leave COGOP to us.

[Pastorbps]

Tell you what. You go join TCOG(smith) TCOG(nabors), TCOG(Indiana), TCOG(N.C) or The Church of God of Wade (if you haven't already) and leave COGOP to us.

Hadn't seen a thing from TCOG but you hurt my feelings.
I feel very unwanted. Maybe you could trade me for two lay ministers and a deacon to be named later. "Love it or Leave it" is so 80's.

[Ilovebigcats]

I think you all should quit judging him. He's repented because repentance doesn't mean you have to forsake sin. All churches are the same and if his church accepts him who are we to say he isn't Saved. We all have sin so I guess he's going to Heaven and if he isn't then neither are any of us. Why aren't you talking about those singers who are backbiters, gossips, critical, etc? Why are you singling him out? He should be a member of your church or do you have a "Must Be This Tall Sign" at the door of your church? Hmm!

I'm guessing you agree with the moron who posted this on TCOGtalk:

Reveals the future of denominational christians who start knocking over dominos.

Sympathy becomes more important than the actual Word of God.

This is the downhill direction of ALL denominations (without repentance) who teach that a PROFESSION OF FAITH is the only requirement of membership.

This is why The Church of God will be especially hated, but will especially SHINE as a City set on a Hill.

Tell you what. You go join TCOG(smith) TCOG(nabors), TCOG(Indiana), TCOG(N.C) or The Church of God of Wade (if you haven't already) and leave COGOP to us.

Did you read what he said???? TCOG and it's splinters would view his views as corrupt and the way COGOP is headed ultimately with their whole "judge not" mentality. Which does bring to mind... why do we accept some sin and not others. The list of things God hates operates really well in ALL (CRC, TCOG, COGOP...) our churches. Sorry, but it's VERY true.

[Kenya]

His songs are God inspired and will always minister to me.

[DaJudge]

I think you all should quit judging him. He's repented because repentance doesn't mean you have to forsake sin. All churches are the same and if his church accepts him who are we to say he isn't Saved. We all have sin so I guess he's going to Heaven and if he isn't then neither are any of us. Why aren't you talking about those singers who are backbiters, gossips, critical, etc? Why are you singling him out? He should be a member of your church or do you have a "Must Be This Tall Sign" at the door of your church? Hmm!

I'm guessing you agree with the moron who posted this on TCOGtalk:

Reveals the future of denominational christians who start knocking over dominos.

Sympathy becomes more important than the actual Word of God.

This is the downhill direction of ALL denominations (without repentance) who teach that a PROFESSION OF FAITH is the only requirement of membership.

This is why The Church of God will be especially hated, but will especially SHINE as a City set on a Hill.

Tell you what. You go join TCOG(smith) TCOG(nabors), TCOG(Indiana), TCOG(N.C) or The Church of God of Wade (if you haven't already) and leave COGOP to us.

Did you read what he said???? TCOG and it's splinters would view his views as corrupt and the way COGOP is headed ultimately with their whole "judge not" mentality. Which does bring to mind... why do we accept some sin and not others. The list of things God hates operates really well in ALL (CRC, TCOG, COGOP...) our churches. Sorry, but it's VERY true.

I read what he said as sarcastic. If you want to know what Pastorbps really thinks, go read his D&R posts in the Doctrine section.

[dolfan]

I think you all should quit judging him. He's repented because repentance doesn't mean you have to forsake sin. All churches are the same and if his church accepts him who are we to say he isn't Saved. ....... Why are you singling him out? He should be a member of your church or do you have a "Must Be This Tall Sign" at the door of your church? Hmm!

I am the one who discussed with you the whole "must be this tall" thing. You have taken that statement, and all that I said with it, and you've applied to mean what you want it to mean and not at all the way it was recommended.

Here's the deal, Pastor. You are free to make all the rules you want to make. By all means, do so. When you have shaped and sculpted perfection out of them, do drop me a line, please. I'll consider it a great service to me personally. But, please do me a favor now and stand on your own two feet in molding people. Don't lean on my remarks that you disagree with as fodder for your own. I'm certain you're capable of applying your doctrinal statements as so much oxy-clean while getting the tough stains out of the body of Christ.

[one love]

ok ..so is being gay sin or not j/k
I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and stop the insulting....
good grief smile a little everyone

Dajudge I am very much against d/r and I am no moron.

[oletimer]

Pastorbps Posted:

I think you all should quit judging him. He's repented because repentance doesn't mean you have to forsake sin. All churches are the same and if his church accepts him who are we to say he isn't Saved. We all have sin so I guess he's going to Heaven and if he isn't then neither are any of us. Why aren't you talking about those singers who are backbiters, gossips, critical, etc? Why are you singling him out? He should be a member of your church or do you have a "Must Be This Tall Sign" at the door of your church? Hmm!

I think you all should quit judging him

I don't think that we are judges as it was he that drop the hat.

He's repented because repentance doesn't mean you have to forsake sin. All churches are the same and if his church accepts him who are we to say he isn't Saved.

I hope that you are kidding as any body doing sin knowing that the bible says that it is a sin, then it is still a sin and he can't be saved untill he truly repents of his sin.

Webster's 1828 Dictionary [K-Z]
repentance
REPENT'ANCE, n.

1. Sorrow for any thing done or said; the pain or grief which a person experiences in consequence of the injury or inconvenience produced by his own conduct.

2. In theology, the pain, regret or affliction which a person feels on account of his past conduct, because it exposes him to punishment. This sorrow proceeding merely from the fear of punishment, is called legal repentance, as being excited by the terrors of legal penalties, and it may exist without an amendment of life.

3. Real penitence; sorrow or deep contrition for sin, as an offense and dishonor to God, a violation of his holy law, and the basest ingratitude towards a Being of infinite benevolence. This is called evangelical repentance, and is accompanied and followed by amendment of life.

Repentance is a change of mind, or a conversion from sin to God.
Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation. 2Cor. 7. Matt. 3.

Repentance is the relinquishment of any practice, from conviction that it has offended God.

If you are a God call minister then it is your obligation call sin a sin and if need be name it.


1Co 6:9
¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

There are many more verses but for the lack of room, unless some wants to start a thread on this subject, I will stop with just one for right now

he says. “If this is the way God made me, then this is the way I’m going to live.

By his own words he doesn't plan on repenting, so by his own words he is still a sinner according the bible

I think you all should quit judging him

Ray Boltz has judged his own self with his own fruits. If I or any of you were to say that Ray was a sinner without proof, then yes we would be judging.

Now for any to expect any of us that believe that what the bible says is a sin to accept Ray as a child of God in his condition, well just think about it.

The bible says to "love thy neighbor as thy self" didn't say only if they look like us, just to love. That doesn't meant to accept nor condone another's sins. So prayer for them would appropriate.

Good reading would be Rev 2:12-29