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Postby Pastorbps » September 15th, 2008, 7:41 am

Pastorbps, for as much as I may disagree with his tone


My statement can be viewed as sarcastic but it is only that way to make a point which was to reveal how impractical some of the statements are which have been made to legitimize D&R. Those of us who believe marriage is for life have been called judgmental, legalists, respecter of persons, cultish, and told we probably should leave the organization. However, when I point out the inconsistency of the rationales people have given for their actions or beliefs by using a sarcastic literary style, I have a bad tone. Seriously?

Now, let's take another one: Would you take in a member who HAD BEEN involved in homosexuality, professes a proclivity with which he needs God's help to over come, and says "I've believe, I've repented, I want to be a Christian and live like Jesus, but I am really having problems with keeping distance from homosexual desires and homosexual conduct. I want to give in, but I don't. I need your fellowship. Will you accept me as a member?" What would you do in that case?


I would take him in and work with him just like I would with someone who struggled with other unnatural affections and sins. He has confessed Christ, admitted his sins and turned from the sin. That sounds like Salvation to me. I would have to talk to the person because I'm a little uncomfortable with the reason why he still struggles with this. I would also exercise discipline if he acted on it and I would do that for a number of reasons.
However, that is not what has been expressed here. If D&R is adultery and the person has been shown it in scripture and they say, “Pastor, I’m an adulterer (Not in those words). I don’t believe there is anything wrong with it and I don’t intend to change.” I would not take that person in but I also would not take in a person who said, “I’m a backbiter. I don’t believe there is anything wrong with backbiting and I don’t intend to stop backbiting.” I believe a person must decide at Salvation to abandon their sins.
It has been stated by some that those who believe marriage is for life magnify D&R above other sins but I believe the opposite is true. I believe we hold it to the exact same standard as other sins. This was my point in bringing up the homosexual example. We would also tell an unrepentant homosexual they couldn’t join either. On the other hand, there are those who would take in a practicing adulterer while rejecting a practicing homosexual. Such an inconsistency must be dealt with. This is one of the rationales I disagreed with in the Assembly report. You can say D&R isn’t sin and therefore you can join but you can’t say it is sin and still be allowed to join without repentance (forsaking of that sin). That sets a dangerous precedent.
The bottom line is “Do you believe D&R is adultery?” I do. Those are my convictions. I know most here do not believe it is and therefore they treat it differently than me but if they believed it was sin, many (not all) of them would treat it the same way I do.

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Postby DaJudge » September 15th, 2008, 8:17 am

Pastorbps wrote: Those of us who believe marriage is for life have been called judgmental, legalists, respecter of persons, cultish, and told we probably should leave the organization.


Some of us have realized that it is possible to believe that marriage is for life WITHOUT being judgmental, legalistic and cultish.

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Postby Pastorbps » September 15th, 2008, 8:32 am

Some of us have realized that it is possible to believe that marriage is for life WITHOUT being judgmental, legalistic and cultish.


If you believe marriage can be dissolved by anything besides death, you don't believe marriage is for life.

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Postby DaJudge » September 15th, 2008, 8:44 am

Pastorbps wrote:
Some of us have realized that it is possible to believe that marriage is for life WITHOUT being judgmental, legalistic and cultish.


If you believe marriage can be dissolved by anything besides death, you don't believe marriage is for life.




I believe that MY marriage is for life and won't be dissolved by anything besides death.

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Postby MrDanger » September 15th, 2008, 8:55 am

Pastorbps wrote:
Some of us have realized that it is possible to believe that marriage is for life WITHOUT being judgmental, legalistic and cultish.


If you believe marriage can be dissolved by anything besides death, you don't believe marriage is for life.


So are you saying that you don't believe that marriage can be dissolved by/because of fornication?
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Postby one love » September 15th, 2008, 9:09 am

WOW we now have a outright D/R thread :shock:
And some people think this issue is resolved :lol: :lol: :shock: :wink:

Mr. Danger I will refrain from answering since you did not ask me and know what i would say :lol:

So what have now learned is:

a man says he is gay = D/R thread :shock:

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Postby Jennifer Smith » September 15th, 2008, 9:33 am

one love wrote:WOW we now have a outright D/R thread :shock:
And some people think this issue is resolved :lol: :lol: :shock: :wink:

Mr. Danger I will refrain from answering since you did not ask me and know what i would say :lol:

So what have now learned is:

a man says he is gay = D/R thread :shock:


OH yes!

And of course, popcorn = D/R thread...

darwin = D/R thread...

Winnie the Pooh...

How many posts does it take to get to the D/R thread? :lol:
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Postby DaJudge » September 15th, 2008, 9:43 am

Jennifer Smith wrote:
OH yes!

And of course, popcorn = D/R thread...

darwin = D/R thread...

Winnie the Pooh...

How many posts does it take to get to the D/R thread? :lol:


Of course. When you deal with some of our brethren (and sisteren) in the TCOG(fill in suffix here), all roads lead back to D & R (or gold for ornament).

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Postby RaceRunner » September 15th, 2008, 9:51 am

DaJudge wrote:
Jennifer Smith wrote:
OH yes!

And of course, popcorn = D/R thread...

darwin = D/R thread...

Winnie the Pooh...

How many posts does it take to get to the D/R thread? :lol:


Of course. When you deal with some of our brethren (and sisteren) in the TCOG(fill in suffix here), all roads lead back to D & R (or gold for ornament).


Hey! Don't blame me!

I was quietly sitting over on tcogtalk...minding my own business when you started calling me names over here....

I thought that Pastorbps was one of your very own Jude2'ers

I'm going to start calling you DaGRUDGE from now on...you ole' fuddy-duddy. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby dolfan » September 15th, 2008, 9:53 am

Pastorbps wrote:
Pastorbps, for as much as I may disagree with his tone


My statement can be viewed as sarcastic but it is only that way to make a point which was to reveal how impractical some of the statements are which have been made to legitimize D&R. Those of us who believe marriage is for life have been called judgmental, legalists, respecter of persons, cultish, and told we probably should leave the organization. However, when I point out the inconsistency of the rationales people have given for their actions or beliefs by using a sarcastic literary style, I have a bad tone. Seriously?


I don't find sarcasm; that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about your tone of pastoral care. Perhaps tone wasn't the best word. I guess I mean I disagree with your approach to handling the matter, going back to the original question about your local church's statement of faith (that's not the term you used, I'm just describing it that way) in another thread.
I was sarcastic, too, so I'm not faulting you there. :?
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Postby one love » September 15th, 2008, 10:40 am

DaJudge wrote:
Jennifer Smith wrote:
OH yes!

And of course, popcorn = D/R thread...

darwin = D/R thread...

Winnie the Pooh...

How many posts does it take to get to the D/R thread? :lol:


Of course. When you deal with some of our brethren (and sisteren) in the TCOG(fill in suffix here), all roads lead back to D & R (or gold for ornament).



this is not true at all dajudge nobody with the "TCOG" started the D/R discussion here or in the other threads on the doctrine forum it was all done by COGOP members here on jude2.
You and pastorbps brought it up in this thread. Not sure why you are pointing blame our way :wink:

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Postby DaJudge » September 15th, 2008, 10:42 am

one love wrote:
DaJudge wrote:
Jennifer Smith wrote:
OH yes!

And of course, popcorn = D/R thread...

darwin = D/R thread...

Winnie the Pooh...

How many posts does it take to get to the D/R thread? :lol:


Of course. When you deal with some of our brethren (and sisteren) in the TCOG(fill in suffix here), all roads lead back to D & R (or gold for ornament).



this is not true at all dajudge nobody with the "TCOG" started the D/R discussion here or in the other threads on the doctrine forum it was all done by COGOP members here on jude2.
You and pastorbps brought it up in this thread. Not sure why you are pointing blame our way :wink:


Let us recall that this whole thing originated from a post by Race Runner. I don't think she's COGOP. :D

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Postby RaceRunner » September 15th, 2008, 10:57 am

DaJudge wrote:
one love wrote:
DaJudge wrote:
Jennifer Smith wrote:
OH yes!

And of course, popcorn = D/R thread...

darwin = D/R thread...

Winnie the Pooh...

How many posts does it take to get to the D/R thread? :lol:


Of course. When you deal with some of our brethren (and sisteren) in the TCOG(fill in suffix here), all roads lead back to D & R (or gold for ornament).



this is not true at all dajudge nobody with the "TCOG" started the D/R discussion here or in the other threads on the doctrine forum it was all done by COGOP members here on jude2.
You and pastorbps brought it up in this thread. Not sure why you are pointing blame our way :wink:


Let us recall that this whole thing originated from a post by Race Runner. I don't think she's COGOP. :D


No DaGRUDGE... I didn't originate the post. You did.
(page 2 of this thread)

My original post was found on tcogtalk and it never mentioned Cogop or D&R. You and your assumptions brought it over here to bash Pastorbps for his "you want to have your cake and eat it too" post below. Interesting how he took Jude2's very own words and turned them around.

Pastorbps wrote:I think you all should quit judging him. He's repented because repentance doesn't mean you have to forsake sin. All churches are the same and if his church accepts him who are we to say he isn't Saved. We all have sin so I guess he's going to Heaven and if he isn't then neither are any of us. Why aren't you talking about those singers who are backbiters, gossips, critical, etc? Why are you singling him out? He should be a member of your church or do you have a "Must Be This Tall Sign" at the door of your church? Hmm!


I grew up in TCogop...but decided to remain in TCOG.....when that big "jumbo jet" started making it's drop in altitude. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby DaJudge » September 15th, 2008, 11:02 am

RaceRunner wrote:
No DaGRUDGE... I didn't originate the post. You did.

My post was found on tcogtalk and you brought it over here to bash Pastorbps for his "you want to have your cake and eat it too" post below.


I grew up in TCogop...but decided to remain in TCOG.....when that big jumbo jet started making it's drop in altitude. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Interesting. So you had no problem bashing COGOP behind our backs over on TCOGtalk. You just don't like it being called to our attention over here on Jude 2, huh?


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