Lifeway Christian bookstore pulls mag from shelves

[Full Quiver]

Phillip's daughters were prophetesses according to the NT

[Steve]

Steve, here is my problem with how people interpret this. Does your wife, Tracy, etc. keep silent in church. Do they keep silent in church? I mean TOTALLY SILENT at church as is instructed?

I cannot speak for Tracy, but yes, in matters of teaching doctrine to men, my wife is silent. In the early Church, the meeting was a time to be instructed in the Word. During those times, the women are to be silent. I do not believe that this addresses singing hymns, etc. If you disagree with that, you should make sure you are following the Scripture as you interpret it.

Do these women learn anything at all? If so, how do they learn it Do they learn it by studying God's Word or do they do as this scripture specifically states, they just ask their husbands?

I don't know, Jeff. I would encourage you to do a thorough study of the Word, and see what it says regarding women learning in the church meeting. Tell me what you find.

I haven't ever read any discussions on here about this that I remember. I will say I don't get it. I don't understand why I have learned (not gotten hyped up on emotion) by Frances Allen, Mary Lois Hamm, Londa Richardson, Sterlene Murray, Janice Miller, Beth Moore, Kay Arthur (do I really need to go on).

Again, I am not saying that women are not CAPABLE of teaching, I am saying that they are directed not to in Scripture. They are different things. If you don't think women and men have God-given roles, then anything goes. I choose to read the Bible and see what IT says about things. I will no longer go on what I FEEL about things or what SEEMS right. Won't do it. I could take your logic and make a great case to eat the forbidden fruit, as I alluded to earlier. It wasn't about the fruit, it was because GOD SAID NOT TO! That is the point!!!

Here's another question. And none of this is sarcasm. I really don't understand what to do with this scripture. At what age do women stop having the right to teach young men. By an American standard of 18, because that doesn't fit with the age of an adult in the middle eastern culture at the time that scripture was written.

I do not know the answer to this, honestly. I would say when they are beyond the age of accountability, which I would suppose is later than the 4-6 year old age I was brought up to believe.

Don't take what I say, Jeff, or ANYBODY. I did that for TOO long. Read your Bible. Study it. Look up every instance of a word you question. The Bible will define it's own words. You don't need a commentary, just read the Book for yourself! God can give you His point of view much better than I, and if it comes from me, it is not what you should be believing anyway. I AM NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU...you have to be convinced in your own mind. If you can read the text of the Bible and be comfortable with your belief, go with that.

[Steve]

Phillip's daughters were prophetesses according to the NT

I think if you research the meaning of the word "prophet/prophetess" you will discover it is one who tells what God will do before it happens. I believe this is different from teaching doctrine from the Bible. That is my belief anyway.

prophet

PROPH'ET, n. [L. propheta.]

1. One that foretells future events; a predicter; a foreteller.

2. In Scripture, a person illuminated, inspired or instructed by God to announce future events; as Moses, Elijah, David, Isaiah, &c.

prophetess

PROPH'ETESS, n. A female prophet; a woman who foretells future events, as Miriam, Huldah, Anna, &c. Ex.15. Judg.4. Luke 2.

But don't believe old Noah. Look up every instance of the word Prophet and Prophetess and see what the Word says about what they did.

[Full Quiver]

My point is that some Baptists say prophets are now pastors.

[Steve]

My point is that some Baptists say prophets are now pastors.

OK. I would disagree.

[Shellie]

If Mary had kept silent, the disciples would not have known Jesus had risen.

[pastorables]

prophet

PROPH'ET, n. [L. propheta.]

1. One that foretells future events; a predicter; a foreteller.

2. In Scripture, a person illuminated, inspired or instructed by God to announce future events; as Moses, Elijah, David, Isaiah, &c.

prophetess

PROPH'ETESS, n. A female prophet; a woman who foretells future events, as Miriam, Huldah, Anna, &c. Ex.15. Judg.4. Luke 2.

But don't believe old Noah. Look up every instance of the word Prophet and Prophetess and see what the Word says about what they did.

From Strong's

προφητευωσιν verb - present active subjunctive - third person
propheteuo prof-ate-yoo'-o: to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office -- prophesy.

Speak under inspiration? Hmmmm. That sounds like many anointed women I've heard through the years.

[dawgs10]

steve, so you will not explain the double standard held by the sbc about women being used to speak the word or to preach by the sbc's standard. the very meaning of the word prophet is to speak the word or to fortell the future. so when the new testament refers to women being used as prophets explain why women cant preach.

[Pastor Gary]

Well I am Southern Baptist, and I agree that women should not be pastors. And I wouldn't even mind them pulling the magazine completely.

Does your SBC annually raise funds to honor Lottie Moon?
(Yes, I know she was never technically a pastor, but she was certainly an independent and effective evangelist and missionary.)

[MrDanger]

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Don't take what I say, Jeff, or ANYBODY.

Oh trust me, I don't.

As matter of fact, when I teach (which I'm allowed to since I'm a man ) I always encourage the listener to do their own research. Be challenged by what I say, but find out for yourself. That way, you own the material, not just hearsay.

When I do study, it first starts with the culture of that area to see what was going on at that time in that area, and do my best to Un-Americanize the scripture. I have found that by doing this, I have understood so much more of what was really being said. And in most cases, I have found that what is being said goes much deeper than our English translation.

[one love]

Everything's pretty Baptist fare, but, hey, it's a SBC owned deal and that's their right. Silly, but its their call.

Yeah, thanks for letting us in on that fact.

You're welcome.

Seriously Doflan is right, I don't think that white wing has to sell everything there is. For a long time they did not sell all kinds of products (they do now just not there own history )
If a church has there own book store it can sell whatever it wants.
Now from a business standpoint if they are having bookstores to help their churches or promote their own doctrine fine , but if they are doing it to turn over a nice profit then they are crazy for shutting out the pentecostal/charismatic movement.


Speaking of book stores how does the "COG" book store "pathway" do ? That place is really big, do they do alright? I was curious how their business is. That is a huge place I cant imagine the value of the property, i know Cleveland is not that expensive but it has to be a lot of overhead. For all I know they have owned and paid for that property a long time ago.

[one love]

prophet

PROPH'ET, n. [L. propheta.]

1. One that foretells future events; a predicter; a foreteller.

2. In Scripture, a person illuminated, inspired or instructed by God to announce future events; as Moses, Elijah, David, Isaiah, &c.

prophetess

PROPH'ETESS, n. A female prophet; a woman who foretells future events, as Miriam, Huldah, Anna, &c. Ex.15. Judg.4. Luke 2.

But don't believe old Noah. Look up every instance of the word Prophet and Prophetess and see what the Word says about what they did.

From Strong's

προφητευωσιν verb - present active subjunctive - third person
propheteuo prof-ate-yoo'-o: to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office -- prophesy.

Speak under inspiration? Hmmmm. That sounds like many anointed women I've heard through the years.

EXACTLY Pastorables, very good point. Not to mention as I said he only inspires or anoints that which he approves of.

Steve Said:

In Scripture, a person illuminated, inspired or instructed by God to announce future events; as Moses, Elijah, David, Isaiah, &c.

I believe everyone mentioned in this definition instructed the people not just foretold the future, they led the people of God.

[Steve]

If Mary had kept silent, the disciples would not have known Jesus had risen.

This is hardly teaching doctrine.......LOVE your new avatar!!!

[scooter]

If Mary had kept silent, the disciples would not have known Jesus had risen.

This is hardly teaching doctrine.......LOVE your new avatar!!!

Response: Yeah, who ever heard of a risen savior doctrine!

[EagerBeaver]

Well I am Southern Baptist, and I agree that women should not be pastors.

What about Priscilla in the NT? Of the seven times Priscilla and Aquila are mentioned, Priscilla's name comes first in five of them.