TCOG- Smith??? Nabors??? has a new Competitor!!!

[one love]

I chose to delete this, Dawgs if you read it that is fine. I just dont want to get into certain conversations forgive me.



God bless

[dawgs10]

I chose to delete this, Dawgs if you read it that is fine. I just dont want to get into certain conversations forgive me.



God bless

again, i am being attacked for an opinion. i believe that the last few years have shown that if people are chosen as leaders in this group that we are talking about that some dont want as leaders splits continue. this was shown when the go of tcog was chosen the last time and the next go will be issues again. its your history as a church. its an underlying spirit that goes with splinter groups. i dont know you and i am not attacking you personaly but in my opinion this is the case.

[Gerald Creasy]

Well Gerald it is the same ole thing every time.

Because the issue is unresolved.

Nothing was stolen and we dont use COGOP flag at all, others do every sunday. Many as a matter of fact.

Look up the word Plagarisim.

Now See if you can Make a Superhero named THE SUperman that looks just like superman except his S forms and Square instead something triangular.

See how far you get before you get your pants sued off of you for theft.

You DO use the COGOP flag with minor negligble changes in order to asuage your conscious.

[c u there]

I do not think we use the COGOP flag, but my question is why do you care so much, from what I've read and heard you all don't want it any more anyway.
As far as being sued, I owned a store and someone else was going to name theirs the same with only a #2 added and I inquired of the legal issues and was told I couldn't do a thing about it as long as it wasn't exactly the same. One thing being different made it different.

[Poimen]

I do not think we use the COGOP flag, but my question is why do you care so much, from what I've read and heard you all don't want it any more anyway.
As far as being sued, I owned a store and someone else was going to name theirs the same with only a #2 added and I inquired of the legal issues and was told I couldn't do a thing about it as long as it wasn't exactly the same. One thing being different made it different.

The difference is in trademark law. The COGOP flag is a registered trademark. The panel of judges who heard the case between TCOG and COGOP ruled in COGOP's favor. According to law if the "likiliehood of confusion exists" then the similar flag is for legal purposes identical with the registered flag.

IF COGOP took it to court, the odds are the judges would rule in their favor and tell TCOG they cannot fly their current flag design.

IF TCOG tried to register their version of the flag the odds are they would be denied on the grounds of likeliehood of confusion (something, per assembly ruing thay should have already done).

The FACT is neither COGOP or TCOG has pushed the issue legally since TCOG adopted the current variant design. THEREFORE their is no violation of law -- no theft, no plagarism.

However, TCOG has failed to adhere to it's own asembly rulings in regards to the adoption and continued use of it's variant design -- on more than one count. That is something that troubled me as a member and minister when I was in TCOG. But there is no legal infraction, not presently anyhow.

[Gerald Creasy]

IF COGOP took it to court, the odds are the judges would rule in their favor and tell TCOG they cannot fly their current flag design.

IF TCOG tried to register their version of the flag the odds are they would be denied on the grounds of likeliehood of confusion (something, per assembly ruing thay should have already done).

The FACT is neither COGOP or TCOG has pushed the issue legally since TCOG adopted the current variant design. THEREFORE their is no violation of law -- no theft, no plagarism.

However, TCOG has failed to adhere to it's own asembly rulings in regards to the adoption and continued use of it's variant design -- on more than one count. That is something that troubled me as a member and minister when I was in TCOG. But there is no legal infraction, not presently anyhow.

So what you are saying is it is theft, but because the issue has not been pressed it is not theft.

This makes no sense.

Plainly, if the design is ripped off, the design is ripped off.

Where is integrity among those who say they are spiritual superior to everyone else??

[Full Quiver]

Poimen, you are exactly correct but one might add, because it's truth, that TCoG is still in violation of the trademark laws even though CoGoP has not pushed the issue. A thief is a thief whether or not he is ever charged or convicted of thievery.

TCOG may as well had continued using the CoGoP flag because they are still breaking the law.

[scooter]

TCOG may as well had continued using the CoGoP flag because they are still breaking the law.

Response: Great point! I feel most sorry for the second generation TCoggers and the children of the rebellion who are fooled into submission by their fathers to such yokes. I think it is great that people might be saved under such ministries. I am grieved that they will grow no further than such a small pond mentality.

[Poimen]

Poimen, you are exactly correct but one might add, because it's truth, that TCoG is still in violation of the trademark laws even though CoGoP has not pushed the issue. A thief is a thief whether or not he is ever charged or convicted of thievery.

TCOG may as well had continued using the CoGoP flag because they are still breaking the law.

Ahh, but therein is the rub, you see. Until either COGOP or TCOG raises a legal issues regarding the current TCOG flag their is no illegal status. The design has to be ruled unlawful before it can in truth BE unlawful.

[paul]

Poimen, you are exactly correct but one might add, because it's truth, that TCoG is still in violation of the trademark laws even though CoGoP has not pushed the issue. A thief is a thief whether or not he is ever charged or convicted of thievery.

TCOG may as well had continued using the CoGoP flag because they are still breaking the law.

Ahh, but therein is the rub, you see. Until either COGOP or TCOG raises a legal issues regarding the current TCOG flag their is no illegal status. The design has to be ruled unlawful before it can in truth BE unlawful.

So though the letter of the law has not been broken , the spirit of the law has been.

[Poimen]

So though the letter of the law has not been broken , the spirit of the law has been.

Nope! Not unless or until the similar but distinct TCOG design is legally declared unacceptable.

Try and twist this anyway you guys want to. The fact is TCOG has done nothing illegal here. IF they had of refused to quit flying the COGOP design (proper) THEN they would be in violation of the law.

However, if TCOG would follow it's own rulings they would seek to register this design, and the matter would pribably be settled legally by the authorities either permitting them registration or by rejecting registration on the grounds of likeliehood of confusion with COGOPs mark.

So... TCOG has not broken the law of the land. However, they have failed to adhere to their own assembly rulings and "theocratic" system.

[Full Quiver]

Not so Poimen, trademark laws exist to protect and whether or not a company chooses to exercise these laws or not these laws can very much be broken.

TCoG did not become in violation of these laws when a judge said stop flying the CoGoP flag. TCoG was already in violation else an attorney would not have filed a charge.

Like I stated, thievery is thievery whether it is ever prosecuted or not. It's up to the CoGoP to push for TCOG to OBEY the law and then up to a judge to see to it that they do.

It really doesn't matter though because CoGoP has better things to do. My point is that TCoG would have been better served to continue with the CoGoP design.

[Poimen]

Not so Poimen, trademark laws exist to protect and whether or not a company chooses to exercise these laws or not these laws can very much be broken.

TCoG did not become in violation of these laws when a judge said stop flying the CoGoP flag. TCoG was already in violation else an attorney would not have filed a charge.

Like I stated, thievery is thievery whether it is ever prosecuted or not. It's up to the CoGoP to push for TCOG to OBEY the law and then up to a judge to see to it that they do.

It really doesn't matter though because CoGoP has better things to do. My point is that TCoG would have been better served to continue with the CoGoP design.

I understand your point. However, the trademark case was about to whom regitsrtaion would be given, not if TCOG could fly a registered mark for COGOP. Don;t forget that at the time TCOG sought to obtain the registartion the flag had fallen into ill repute among many COGOPers (with even the local church here in Snowtown putting them in them out of sight) AND had not been registered for many years.

Once the issue was clarifed by the courts TCOG ceased flying the COGOP flag and set out on a search to find an acceptable design of their own, and one strongly simlar was finally adopted.

Now, I agree, TCOG would have been better served to either fly the COGOP flag and stand their spiritual ground (so to speak) or come up with a more unique design (like the flag committee tried to do). But the assembly would not accept that route.

Stiil TCOG is not in violation of trademark law. IF they had of persisted in flying the COGOP design they would have been.

You don't have to like it, you don't have to admit it, but at least you've had to consider it.

[EagerBeaver]

One of my bootlegged house music cuts uses a modified-pitch sample of the Pet Shop Boys' "Do I Have To?" without permission...but they'll never know and as such I am cool to keep doing this as long as I want, right?

Eh, the PSB have better things to do than worry about a puny guy like me with no following climbing up the Billboard Hot 100.

I love your logic Poimen.

[scooter]

One of my bootlegged house music cuts uses a modified-pitch sample of the Pet Shop Boys' "Do I Have To?" without permission...but they'll never know and as such I am cool to keep doing this as long as I want, right?

Eh, the PSB have better things to do than worry about a puny guy like me with no following climbing up the Billboard Hot 100.

I love your logic Poimen.

Response: Great point Beav.!