ZACOG

[Dr. Ron]

Man, I don't usually go to these sites, but for some reason I decided to go there....I can't believe some of these people in leadership though....AB White.....my goodness....

and the youth guy? Neil? What a waste...he is a good kid....but all of them are Wadeites.....

God bless em.

Wade got what he always felt he deserved.

[Pastorbps]

My understanding is they teach against jewelry for adornment but they don't consider the wedding band as adornment but a symbol of marriage. Most still don't wear it.

[ichthus]

My understanding of the differences between the ZACOG, TCOG, & COGOP:
ZACOG & TCOG neither one accept D&R- COGOP has declared exceptions
ZACOG accepts the wedding band but not other jewelry, TCOG allows no jewelry, COGOP doesn't make it an issue.
ZACOG believes in the concept of a visible, structured church but doesn't see itself as the exclusive Body of Christ. They seem to see the church more as a work in progress.
TCOG sees itself as the exclusive Body of Christ, chosen by God, and awakened by revelation from the "Dark Ages" at the beginning of this century.
COGOP sees THE church as invisible encompassing all true believers.

COGOP did believe they were the exclusive Body of Christ but slowly abandoned that position culminating at the beginning of the 1990's. This coincided with the acceptance of Jewelry and resulted in the formation of TCOG.

COGOP did teach against D&R for any reason but changed its position in 2004 with an official ruling in 2006. The changes of 2004 (Acceptance of members in D&R) led to the formation of ZACOG.

While some in TCOG felt lawsuits were necessary against the COGOP, ZACOG seems to have been opposed to TCOG's lawsuits against COGOP believing lawsuits against brethren to be against scripture. They seem to have been less concerned about jewelry & to have had a difference of opinion regarding the nature of the church resulting in them staying in the COGOP longer than TCOG.

Bro. Phillips was an outspoken opponent of the changes in the COGOP which resulted in his being banned from preaching in COGOP pulpits. The fact he had no place to preach seems to have led to his desire to see those who disagreed with the direction of the COGOP to organize thus giving him a place to preach. As far as his desire to be the GO, I really don't know. I've never asked him.

Does this seem like a fair analysis?

That's helpful, thanks!
Anyone know where the COGNC (North Carolina) fits in all this, and why they came into existence?

[Poimen]

TCOG-NC is a splinter off of TCOG.

[RamboPreacher]

splinters are painful, especially when they fester.

[PastorP]

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Anyone know where the COGNC (North Carolina) fits in all this, and why they came into existence?[/quote]

Couldn't get along in TCOG. JW suddenly received a revelation, I guess, to be the GO of the real COG!

It sure would be easy to get confused with all the visions! Wonder if they are real?

[paul]

splinters are painful, especially when they fester.

I remember going to BTI with wade in the early 70's I believe he was p[astoring in West Virginia at the time. Also went to BTI with Mcdonald.

Not sure of what all transpired after I left cogop. I think what borhters me the most is not so much a group of people saying, I don't agree with the direction, I see it differently and leaving a group...starting some movement and go on with what they feel is right.

But this quest to be recognizaed as the One and Only True Church is IMHO Childish. To the point of trying to keep the assembly numbers as if they are a continuation. The whole Flag seen.

I remember a close friend whose Father was the spanish S.O. for cogop in Calif many years ago. He left took a few spanish churches with him and started a group called " The Family Church of God" later his son, a dear friend, a pastor who had just left cogop and took over his fathers organization, came through Texas where I was pastoring a non-denomination church. We talked, he preached he left. later I got a bshops license in the mail from him and was told that he had appointed me as S.O. of Texas. " SAY WHAT" !!!!!!

This is the same mentality that I see so much in these splinter groups. Courting leaders from the previous organization. This is extremely apparent overseas. They talk a leader or overseer into becoming a part of their group then in the newsletters " AFRICA REACHED WITH THE CHURCH MESSAGE " as if no one else has ever done a thing, or that the TRUE mesage had not been preached until they got their with thier revelation.

[sweetpea]

You know I'm not a minister and don't understand a lot of the Bible,but I think everyone needs to go about preaching The Message that Jesus preached and quit bickering about who is the church.

Some of these people act like they know more about "The Church",than Jesus.If we have truly been saved,aren;t we all part of "The Church". I for one don't think I have to belong to a certain church .Jesus knows who His sheep are and we know He is our Shepherd.

[Pastor Gary]

I remember a close friend whose Father was the spanish S.O. for cogop in Calif many years ago. He left took a few spanish churches with him and started a group called " The Family Church of God" later his son, a dear friend, a pastor who had just left cogop and took over his fathers organization, came through Texas where I was pastoring a non-denomination church. We talked, he preached he left. later I got a bshops license in the mail from him and was told that he had appointed me as S.O. of Texas. " SAY WHAT" !!!!!!

WE TALKING ABOUT J.R.?
(Mixing Mexican and Samoan cultures is crazy enough...)

[Paully_44]

but I think everyone needs to go about preaching The Message that Jesus preached and quit bickering about who is the church.

but how would they grow their exlusive church?

[ichthus]

TCOG-NC is a splinter off of TCOG.

Couldn't get along in TCOG. JW suddenly received a revelation, I guess, to be the GO of the real COG!

Thanks, that confirms what I thought this afternoon. I noticed that TCOG was formed around 1993 and saw on TCOGNC webpage today that they "began again" in 1997. As well as a comment about the "apostate group known as TCOG" so I was going to ask if that might be the case.

[beckrl]

So what is the number(s) of splinters from the original COG?
That all define is their begining.

[Gerald Creasy]

So what is the number(s) of splinters from the original COG?
That all define is their begining.

You havent been around here long, have you?


Rambo!? It's time for the Splinter Tree Chart again.

[Pastor Chip]

I remember a close friend whose Father was the spanish S.O. for cogop in Calif many years ago. He left took a few spanish churches with him and started a group called " The Family Church of God" later his son, a dear friend, a pastor who had just left cogop and took over his fathers organization, came through Texas where I was pastoring a non-denomination church. We talked, he preached he left. later I got a bshops license in the mail from him and was told that he had appointed me as S.O. of Texas. " SAY WHAT" !!!!!!

WE TALKING ABOUT J.R.?
(Mixing Mexican and Samoan cultures is crazy enough...)

I thought his first name started with a "P". I was in revival in Brawley, CA with them several years ago...before he took over FCG.

[paul]

I remember a close friend whose Father was the spanish S.O. for cogop in Calif many years ago. He left took a few spanish churches with him and started a group called " The Family Church of God" later his son, a dear friend, a pastor who had just left cogop and took over his fathers organization, came through Texas where I was pastoring a non-denomination church. We talked, he preached he left. later I got a bshops license in the mail from him and was told that he had appointed me as S.O. of Texas. " SAY WHAT" !!!!!!

WE TALKING ABOUT J.R.?
(Mixing Mexican and Samoan cultures is crazy enough...)

I thought his first name started with a "P". I was in revival in Brawley, CA with them several years ago...before he took over FCG.

Chip you are right... "P" took it over from his father and when "P"passed a couple years ago, J.R. "P" son was to take over..don't know if that ever came about or not. I attended "P". funeral