I've changed my tune on Christ's return...HE'S COMING SOON!

[Gerald Creasy]

Can you provide some News Links where nations are calling for a ONE WORLD FINANCIAL SYSTEM or is this what you heard from your friends second cousin Lurleen -the one that works at the Bowling alley????

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5202

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... chief.html

These are relevant links, but there should be several. What I refer to concerning the global talk is no secret.

Here is another interesting quote:

In his prepared statement, Bush said he appreciated Italy's participation in the weekend finance meetings and welcomed what he said were "bold and specific follow-up actions" by European nations to help resolve the crisis.

"The United States is also acting, and we will continue to implement measures consistent with the G-7 action plan to help banks gain access to capital, to strengthen the financial system, and to unfreeze credit markets and restore confidence in our financial system," Bush said.

Berlusconi said that Bush intends to meet with leaders of the Group of Eight organization of major industrialized nations — the members of the group of seven plus Russia — in the next few weeks to discuss the crisis. But White House press secretary Dana Perino rolled back expectations of a meeting.

"We're very open to a leaders meeting at some point in the future," she said. "Obviously, right now, the focus is on the coordinated actions taking place around the globe for the immediate economic challenges. There's no date or a decision on a meeting."

What Are you seeing there that is anything??

I don't see "nations" calling for a one world financial system.

A Director of a Bank is not a "nation" Pastor Ables.

CAN YOU EVEN provide a reference to "one world financial system" ANYWHERE in scripture?????

I believe we have discussed "end times" to the point that we both realize that the other has established ideas and opinions concerning the subject. I can't supply you a scripture that says "rapture", but there will be one.

Be blessed,
pa

The point is UPON WHAT DO YOU ESTABLISH THOSE IDEAS???????

With you IT's NOT THE BIBLE!!!!!

No BIBLE for one world financial System
No Bible for the rapture.
NO bible for "end times peace treaty"

EVERY ONE of those you have to have the idea already believed before you read.

[pastorables]

No Bible for the rapture.

If you really believe that, then our discussion on the issue is forever settled by your own blindness. The Bible does teach that God's people will be caught away to meet the Lord in the air = rapture. There is safety in a multitude of counselors, Gerald. Don't cast off the faith of our fathers.

pa

[crispfin]

No Bible for the rapture.

If you really believe that, then our discussion on the issue is forever settled by your own blindness. The Bible does teach that God's people will be caught away to meet the Lord in the air = rapture. There is safety in a multitude of counselors, Gerald. Don't cast off the faith of our fathers.

pa

The problem with the "faith of our fathers" idea is what one means by that phrase. Which fathers do you mean? Apostolic? Nicene? Western? Eastern? Speaking for myself, I would not consider John Nelson Darby, who popularized the rapture idea as it is commonly taught, as a church father. I think that a supposed doctrine that originated in the 19th century should be viewed as suspect, and the constantly shifting proofs and interpretations of the the idea cause me to take pause. I personally am not at a point to say that the idea is unequivocally wrong, but for the above reasons I am hesitant to proclaim it as the truth. I think the important thing is that regardless of what view one takes of it, Jesus is returning some day and we must all strive every day to be ready and looking for his coming. I'm fairly sure most of us can agree on that point . . . maybe.

[Gerald Creasy]

No Bible for the rapture.

If you really believe that, then our discussion on the issue is forever settled by your own blindness. The Bible does teach that God's people will be caught away to meet the Lord in the air = rapture. There is safety in a multitude of counselors, Gerald. Don't cast off the faith of our fathers.

pa

The problem should be settled by THE BIBLE, Pastor Ables.

Not a sanctimonious snit based upon "what mama always said".

Show ME where the BIBLE says: One World Government, One world Financial System, or The taking away of Christians and everyone else is left.

[RamboPreacher]

...The taking away of Christians and everyone else is left.

or more accurately - The Christians get taken away from a mess, largely, or at least partially of their own making and with the "removal of the Holy Spirit" in that doctrine; "to hell with everyone else".

though maybe this should be in the doctrine forum?

[pastorables]

Show ME where the BIBLE says: One World Government, One world Financial System, or The taking away of Christians and everyone else is left.

Jesus said, in Luke 22:67-68 "Tell us if you are the Messiah."But he replied, "If I tell you, you won't believe me. And if I ask you a question, you won't answer."

Gerald, I will not be swayed by biblical nit-picking that attempts to force timeless truths into another gospel of modern interpretation, however popular.

pa

[Gerald Creasy]

...The taking away of Christians and everyone else is left.

or more accurately - The Christians get taken away from a mess, largely, or at least partially of their own making and with the "removal of the Holy Spirit" in that doctrine; "to hell with everyone else".

though maybe this should be in the doctrine forum?

How do you deal with someone who admits they can't prove something from the Bible but "you're not really spiritual" if you Don'T believe it??

[RamboPreacher]

...The taking away of Christians and everyone else is left.

or more accurately - The Christians get taken away from a mess, largely, or at least partially of their own making and with the "removal of the Holy Spirit" in that doctrine; "to hell with everyone else".

though maybe this should be in the doctrine forum?

How do you deal with someone who admits they can't prove something from the Bible but "you're not really spiritual" if you Don'T believe it??

prayer. sometimes pearls and swine come to mind, and at others it's about a loving father reaching to a whore-mongering son. either way, prayer is something we can all agree on, even if we don't agree with their patristic-faith-declarations; and further that they are our Brothers and sisters in Christ - no, really - they are.