She got BIT

[Sherry]

I understand the other party wanting this to go away...this is embarrassing for everyone. I also understand on the woman's point and she's being blessed....but...

The man assaulted her. He bit her in a show of domaniance in an area that makes a woman venerable. He knew what he was doing and I can bet you it's not the first time he's done this.

I'm happy she filed a police report, but I hope that it doesn't just get swept under the rug now because big name people can give little people a bunch of freebies to smooth things over. I'm not talking suing...I'm talking this man needs to be held accountable for his actions to the fullest extent of the law and prevented from ever doing this to someone else.

[Shellie]

Okay...I'm speechless and that's amazing in itself.

[Pastor Gary]

I understand the other party wanting this to go away...this is embarrassing for everyone. I also understand on the woman's point and she's being blessed....but...

The man assaulted her. He bit her in a show of domaniance in an area that makes a woman venerable. He knew what he was doing and I can bet you it's not the first time he's done this.

I'm happy she filed a police report, but I hope that it doesn't just get swept under the rug now because big name people can give little people a bunch of freebies to smooth things over. I'm not talking suing...I'm talking this man needs to be held accountable for his actions to the fullest extent of the law and prevented from ever doing this to someone else.

The latest is that the church removed him from leadership, and the financial ministry will no longer allow him to serve as a facilitator for their classes. He is facing at least that.

Under Hawaii law the police take his statement after reading him his rights, and then the prosecutor's office determines how far to take it from there. She is willing to press the matter if the prosecutor will push it.

The woman assaulted is strong and independent -- she works in the construction industry surrounded by men. Had she opted to strike him, he would be hospitalized now.

[Pianoman]

I hope that it doesn't just get swept under the rug now because big name people can give little people a bunch of freebies to smooth things over. I'm not talking suing...I'm talking this man needs to be held accountable for his actions to the fullest extent of the law and prevented from ever doing this to someone else.

YR,

I'm not certain - but I believe the big name people are actually
being very gracious and doing way more than they are required
(most likely to protect the integrity of their name & keep it from
being drug through the muck).

I believe the church would actually be held accountable in this
situation. It appears after visiting big name's website - that
anyone can order and teach this class. Big name didn't choose
the instructor or check his credentials - the church was solely
responsible for setting things up (or allowing them to be set up),
ordering the literature, and selecting this man to teach the class.

In essence - this wasn't a seminar where the church was paying
one of big name's instructors to come in - this was someone the
local church selected for a 13 week class.

I don't think it would really be much different than if the situation
had happened during a Sunday School Class using "Acme" brand
Sunday School literature. "Acme" had nothing to do with it - other
than the fact the church was using their material at the time of the
incident. Acme would be doing way more than expected if they
sent gobs of free literature to the victim.

Sounds like the church responded quickly and appropriately.
I have a feeling they will be much more selective in the future -
and are probably hoping news of this doesn't leak out too much.
Hopefully the police will do their part as well.

[MacUser]

This guy needs to have a record, publicly mandated for counseling.. period. If not, this will continue and he will seek out other positions until something much worse happens.

This is the ice berg effect. This little blip you see on the surface is NOTHING compared to what is under the water. Get the man counseling now.

[dolfan]

I was blown away.

Needless to say I was completely overwhelmed with the gift of generosity and kindness that was shown to me.

Not desiring to take away from her blessing, but those in question do realize the gravity of the situation and are no doubt very thankful she didn't hold them more accountable.

A police report was filed. I don't teach my folks to settle matters by suing.

Lawsuits don't settle conflicts. They settle controversies. There's no controversy once the judgment comes down or the parties agree to resolve the difference in terms of money damages, etc. That does absolutely nothing, though, about the personal conflict at the heart of what happens with us. I'm glad you didn't encourage her to sue, although I think if she has any medical bills from it (even if she's insured), she should seek restitution of that from the mad-dog that bit her. If he's charged criminally and found guilty, I'm sure that he'd be required to pay that as part of his punishment.

[Pastorbps]

She is willing to press the matter if the prosecutor will push it.

Good for her. As McGruff said, "Help take a bite out of crime!"

[Sherry]

The latest is that the church removed him from leadership, and the financial ministry will no longer allow him to serve as a facilitator for their classes. He is facing at least that.

Under Hawaii law the police take his statement after reading him his rights, and then the prosecutor's office determines how far to take it from there. She is willing to press the matter if the prosecutor will push it.

The woman assaulted is strong and independent -- she works in the construction industry surrounded by men. Had she opted to strike him, he would be hospitalized now.

Good!


And I really wish she would have decked him!

[pastorables]

but those in question do realize the gravity of the situation and are no doubt very thankful she didn't hold them more accountable.

A police report was filed. I don't teach my folks to settle matters by suing.

Wonderful. The use of man's law is only a tool when absolutely necessary. I'm sure the church would be thankful for your instruction as well.

pa

[Pastor Bill]

The company that produced the videos wouldn't be liable for this unless this guy was an employee or agent for them I would think, but the church sure could be. Hopefully the Pastor and leaders of this church will get rid of this guy before it happens to someone else. The class can continue with another instructor, it wasn't a flaw in the class (unless of course the leader materials tell them to bite people)

[Paully_44]

but those in question do realize the gravity of the situation and are no doubt very thankful she didn't hold them more accountable.

A police report was filed. I don't teach my folks to settle matters by suing.[/quote]

I dont know if I'd sue or not, but when the mans leaders called to ask if they could do anything I would have taken them up on their offer for "finacial freedom".

[oletimer]

I think that I would him checked for aids and other thinks that come back to haunt her later on.