The contrast is incredible

[Pastor Gary]

When the Dems lost, they screamed, threatened, and took it to court. When the Republicans lose, they make patriotic, gracious speeches to try to unite the nation.

The contrast couldn't be greater.

[KBevangelist]

When the Dems lost, they screamed, threatened, and took it to court. When the Republicans lose, they make patriotic, gracious speeches to try to unite the nation.

The contrast couldn't be greater.

Amazing! I can say that John McCain is gracious in his speeches and I was very thankful how he acknowledge Palin

KB

[oletimer]

I've just saw more class in John McCain then we will most likely see in the next four years. The more that I learn of him the more I amire him. A real patriot.

[Tim Elston]

I've just saw more class in John McCain then we will most likely see in the next four years. The more that I learn of him the more I amire him. A real patriot.

Obama has typically shown exceptional class in this campaign. I think we'll see a lot of it from him. Hopefully we'll see it from Jude2 people toward Obama, too.

[dolfan]

I've just saw more class in John McCain then we will most likely see in the next four years. The more that I learn of him the more I amire him. A real patriot.

Obama has typically shown exceptional class in this campaign. I think we'll see a lot of it from him. Hopefully we'll see it from Jude2 people toward Obama, too.

The only class I expect to see from Obama is his continued class warfare strategies to raise taxes.

[rough_rider]

Regardless of our lack of approval for Obama, we as Christians are charged to pray for our leaders. I think now is the time to start praying for our president-elect, that God will speak to his heart about the issues at hand (Iraq, the economy ect.). God still is in control, Prov 21:1 tells us that God holds the heart of our president-elect in His hand and He turns it in any direction He chooses.

[Tim Elston]

I've just saw more class in John McCain then we will most likely see in the next four years. The more that I learn of him the more I amire him. A real patriot.

Obama has typically shown exceptional class in this campaign. I think we'll see a lot of it from him. Hopefully we'll see it from Jude2 people toward Obama, too.

The only class I expect to see from Obama is his continued class warfare strategies to raise taxes.

I think you'll be disappointed, Tim. He has personal grace and class. You may not want to see it, but he'll display it. He's already shown it, to those who are willing to see it for what it is.

It occurred to me once that there is a political correctness on the right, as well as on the left. The thought came to me as I observed the sociolinguistic behavior on Jude 2.

And as I read your statement, it occurred to me that the language I have seen here on Jude2 in response to Obama's tax plan is a rightist politically correct class warfare against the poor and unemployed as a class. The super rich are robbing us blind as a matter of course, and what you are worried about is a slogan. People can't pay their mortgages and can't afford basic health care, while bankers make off with the retirement savings of millions, and you're angry at a socialism that is a figment of an imagination created for you by politicians, traders, and bankers who use abortion and marxism and socialism to ever hold you hostage to their control of power. Read your Bible, there, Mr. Alabama Lawyer, and tell me that your God didn't care about the poor. Despise him as a class warfare monger, will you? You're so angry and righteously indignant at a man who dares to make people's health and income an issue at the expense of people who make their wealth from those people's labor. What about the distribution of wages? Why is labor so valueless relative to the market that two wage earners can't provide health care to their children without begging for it? To whom is the value of their labor being spread? Who is responsible for the distribution of the poverty of working people? It sure isn't the millionnaires and billionnaires whose wealth is amassed by that labor, is it? We darn sure better be miffed and hot and fuming about a president elect who is going to give a crap about someone besides the well-off. We sure better accuse him of socialism and marxism and every other vile enmity of America because he doesn't wear a pin that, to our perverted minds, actually stands not for liberty or justice but for our class warfare against hard working people in need of something more than a politically correct diatribe about the so-called free market, which is, in fact, monopolized by power, shouldn't we?

[Pastor Gary]

I've just saw more class in John McCain then we will most likely see in the next four years. The more that I learn of him the more I amire him. A real patriot.

Obama has typically shown exceptional class in this campaign. I think we'll see a lot of it from him. Hopefully we'll see it from Jude2 people toward Obama, too.

The only class I expect to see from Obama is his continued class warfare strategies to raise taxes.

I think you'll be disappointed, Tim. He has personal grace and class. You may not want to see it, but he'll display it. He's already shown it, to those who are willing to see it for what it is.

It occurred to me once that there is a political correctness on the right, as well as on the left. The thought came to me as I observed the sociolinguistic behavior on Jude 2.

And as I read your statement, it occurred to me that the language I have seen here on Jude2 in response to Obama's tax plan is a rightist politically correct class warfare against the poor and unemployed as a class. The super rich are robbing us blind as a matter of course, and what you are worried about is a slogan. People can't pay their mortgages and can't afford basic health care, while bankers make off with the retirement savings of millions, and you're angry at a socialism that is a figment of an imagination created for you by politicians, traders, and bankers who use abortion and marxism and socialism to ever hold you hostage to their control of power. Read your Bible, there, Mr. Alabama Lawyer, and tell me that your God didn't care about the poor. Despise him as a class warfare monger, will you? You're so angry and righteously indignant at a man who dares to make people's health and income an issue at the expense of people who make their wealth from those people's labor. What about the distribution of wages? Why is labor so valueless relative to the market that two wage earners can't provide health care to their children without begging for it? To whom is the value of their labor being spread? Who is responsible for the distribution of the poverty of working people? It sure isn't the millionnaires and billionnaires whose wealth is amassed by that labor, is it? We darn sure better be miffed and hot and fuming about a president elect who is going to give a crap about someone besides the well-off. We sure better accuse him of socialism and marxism and every other vile enmity of America because he doesn't wear a pin that, to our perverted minds, actually stands not for liberty or justice but for our class warfare against hard working people in need of something more than a politically correct diatribe about the so-called free market, which is, in fact, monopolized by power, shouldn't we?

Isn't it good to have a centrist back?

[Tim Elston]

I've just saw more class in John McCain then we will most likely see in the next four years. The more that I learn of him the more I amire him. A real patriot.

Obama has typically shown exceptional class in this campaign. I think we'll see a lot of it from him. Hopefully we'll see it from Jude2 people toward Obama, too.

The only class I expect to see from Obama is his continued class warfare strategies to raise taxes.

I think you'll be disappointed, Tim. He has personal grace and class. You may not want to see it, but he'll display it. He's already shown it, to those who are willing to see it for what it is.

It occurred to me once that there is a political correctness on the right, as well as on the left. The thought came to me as I observed the sociolinguistic behavior on Jude 2.

And as I read your statement, it occurred to me that the language I have seen here on Jude2 in response to Obama's tax plan is a rightist politically correct class warfare against the poor and unemployed as a class. The super rich are robbing us blind as a matter of course, and what you are worried about is a slogan. People can't pay their mortgages and can't afford basic health care, while bankers make off with the retirement savings of millions, and you're angry at a socialism that is a figment of an imagination created for you by politicians, traders, and bankers who use abortion and marxism and socialism to ever hold you hostage to their control of power. Read your Bible, there, Mr. Alabama Lawyer, and tell me that your God didn't care about the poor. Despise him as a class warfare monger, will you? You're so angry and righteously indignant at a man who dares to make people's health and income an issue at the expense of people who make their wealth from those people's labor. What about the distribution of wages? Why is labor so valueless relative to the market that two wage earners can't provide health care to their children without begging for it? To whom is the value of their labor being spread? Who is responsible for the distribution of the poverty of working people? It sure isn't the millionnaires and billionnaires whose wealth is amassed by that labor, is it? We darn sure better be miffed and hot and fuming about a president elect who is going to give a crap about someone besides the well-off. We sure better accuse him of socialism and marxism and every other vile enmity of America because he doesn't wear a pin that, to our perverted minds, actually stands not for liberty or justice but for our class warfare against hard working people in need of something more than a politically correct diatribe about the so-called free market, which is, in fact, monopolized by power, shouldn't we?

Isn't it good to have a centrist back?

I'm sure it's as nice for you as it is for me to be with Christians again.

[Pastor Gary]

I'm sure it's as nice for you as it is for me to be with Christians again.

Tim, does that presuppose that the only real Christians are those who agree with your views?

I have not been one who made the Republican Ballot a test of faith; I find it equally out of balance to make agreeing with the POTUS-elect a test of faith.

[Sherry]

Tim, you do not usually respond to my posts (I think it's because I don't use all those big words maybe?) but I'm going to ask you anyway.

With your recent posts, I'm wondering why you didn't just vote for Obama?

[Mike Vande]

I'm listening to the politicos and minority spokes people tell what they are expecting from him, and I'm beginning to feel sorry for Obama. Not only is every splinter group, pressure group, minority group, axe-grinder and sob sister claiming to be the deciding factor in his win, they all are laying claim to the majority of his attention. It sounds kinda like he'll need to be able to walk on water, bend steel in his bare hands, leap over mountains with a single bound, single-handedly fix the world-wide economy, and run a one-minute mile to live up to it.

He'll have a honeymoon, for sure, and the press will protect him for the time being. But if he can't live up to the expectations of the people who elected him, and I don't think anybody could, he's gonna be excoriated as the biggest disappointment that ever took office. Some black lady is even saying that America is PERFECT tonight because it wasn't black America alone that elected him, but white America, Jews and Gentiles, etc ands so on. This country is nothing like perfect, never was and never will be.

Now a black minister is quoting Ronald Reagan, calling America "A City On A Hill", and example to the world. I wonder how Nancy Pelosi feels when she hears that? Now the same guy is saying the "politics of Racial Exclusion died tonight", saying no longer can black claim the can't get ahead because they are black.

Oh yeah, that'll stop tonight.

We'll never hear a minority claim they are discriminated against ever again. What are the welfare mothers and absentee fathers in the black community gonna say when they realize that now they have to actually step up and take responsibility for themselves? That's what the leaders of the Black community are setting them up for. If the welfare rolls don't drop dramatically, their rhetoric, like the welfare system, is gonna be shown up for what it is, nothing but blue sky and happy talk with a very large bill at the other end.

The truth is, Obama owes his win to Osama Bin Laden, not the transformation of America into a paradise of racial inclusion by the candidacy of Barack Obama. If it weren't for the conflict that Al Queda started during the Clinton Administration, Obama's candidacy would be a footnote in the political history of the United States, if it had ever happened at all.

Like I said, I'm starting to feel sorry for him, and the peiople who elected him. A disenchanted mob is an ugly thing, and no one could live up to what they expect of him. The disappointment is gonna be terrible to see, and will probably tear this country apart worse than it ever was.

[Tim Elston]

I'm sure it's as nice for you as it is for me to be with Christians again.

Tim, does that presuppose that the only real Christians are those who agree with your views?

I have not been one who made the Republican Ballot a test of faith; I find it equally out of balance to make agreeing with the POTUS-elect a test of faith.

Gary, does your comment presuppose that the only real centrist is someone who doesn't get angry at extremism? A person with centrist polical opinions can have a hot head (which I do, unfortunately), just as, apparently, a person with claims on being a Christian can care less about people without health care or sufficient wages than about villifying his political "enemies." My comment means that I view it to be hypocritical for those who claim to be enlightened with love to be expressing anger and horror at a man for his plan, deficient as it may be to them, to help the poor instead of expressing anger at the filthy rich who amass their wealth from the labor of those people. Basic human dignity ought at least to appreciate the concern. And if there is a modicum of appreciation, where is the expression of it? What kind of spirit is it that is so distraught at a man who wants to commit such an egrecious crime as to raise the tax on net income that exceeds $250K (leaving the $250K itself at the same tax rate) in order, for example, to balance the budget? To pay for war? To build roads? To fund the Social Security that my and your parents depend on? Hello? Why is ideology so infused with anger that it can't even appreciate the concern enough to give a man credit for wanting to do something to help people? Why is ideology so fearful that it must vilify a man for "socialism" and "marxism" for wanting to curb the massive redistribution of the value of the work of hardworking people into the coffers of the rich? I don't even agree with Obama's economic policies. But, my goodness sake, he's not a villain for wanting to help people. He's not a vile filthy scum of a man for believing in a system of taxation that mitigates the extreme income disparities of a market distorted by corruption and illegal influence. I mean, come on, where is the anger for how both parties in Washington abuse their power and pretend to be two parties in order to pacify our hostilities and collude with the rich to funnel untold wealth straight from our capital and labor and investments into their filthy, greedy pockets? If we're going to be angry at Obama, then be angry at him and his colleagues McCain and Bush and Cheney and Hatch and Reid, etc., for failing to represent the American people and allowing themselves to be bought by the rich at our expense. But, for goodness' sake, get our stinking, partisan heads out of the ideological feces, and be angry at something other than wanting to help the victims of the economic structures of evil in our society. If you don't like the plan, than at least give the planner some credit for caring rather than paint him as a blight on humanity.

[Pastor Gary]

I'm sure it's as nice for you as it is for me to be with Christians again.

Tim, does that presuppose that the only real Christians are those who agree with your views?

I have not been one who made the Republican Ballot a test of faith; I find it equally out of balance to make agreeing with the POTUS-elect a test of faith.

Gary, does your comment presuppose that the only real centrist is someone who doesn't get angry at extremism? A person with centrist polical opinions can have a hot head (which I do, unfortunately), just as, apparently, a person with claims on being a Christian can care less about people without health care or sufficient wages than about villifying his political "enemies." My comment means that I view it to be hypocritical for those who claim to be enlightened with love to be expressing anger and horror at a man for his plan, deficient as it may be to them, to help the poor instead of expressing anger at the filthy rich who amass their wealth from the labor of those people. Basic human dignity ought at least to appreciate the concern. And if there is a modicum of appreciation, where is the expression of it? What kind of spirit is it that is so distraught at a man who wants to commit such an egrecious crime as to raise the tax on net income that exceeds $250K (leaving the $250K itself at the same tax rate) in order, for example, to balance the budget? To pay for war? To build roads? To fund the Social Security that my and your parents depend on? Hello? Why is ideology so infused with anger that it can't even appreciate the concern enough to give a man credit for wanting to do something to help people? Why is ideology so fearful that it must vilify a man for "socialism" and "marxism" for wanting to curb the massive redistribution of the value of the work of hardworking people into the coffers of the rich? I don't even agree with Obama's economic policies. But, my goodness sake, he's not a villain for wanting to help people. He's not a vile filthy scum of a man for believing in a system of taxation that mitigates the extreme income disparities of a market distorted by corruption and illegal influence. I mean, come on, where is the anger for how both parties in Washington abuse their power and pretend to be two parties in order to pacify our hostilities and collude with the rich to funnel untold wealth straight from our capital and labor and investments into their filthy, greedy pockets? If we're going to be angry at Obama, then be angry at him and his colleagues McCain and Bush and Cheney and Hatch and Reid, etc., for failing to represent the American people and allowing themselves to be bought by the rich at our expense. But, for goodness' sake, get our stinking, partisan heads out of the ideological feces, and be angry at something other than wanting to help the victims of the economic structures of evil in our society. If you don't like the plan, than at least give the planner some credit for caring rather than paint him as a blight on humanity.

Let me challenge you to find and quote anything I have said or written, here or elsewhere, in which I expressed "anger and horror," or in which I have shown an "ideology so infused with anger," or have said I am "angry at Obama" or "paint(ed) him as a blight on humanity."

You must have me confused with someone else, because I don't recall ever saying any of those things. I voted for his opponent because I thought he was the better choice for the country, but I never -- NEVER -- disparaged Obama personally. If you can find where that happened, please point it out... or admit you are incorrect, please.

[Tim Elston]

Tim, you do not usually respond to my posts (I think it's because I don't use all those big words maybe?) but I'm going to ask you anyway.

No need to play the educational class warfare card on me, YellowRose. If that's an issue to you, it's your issue, not mine. I'm sorry to have failed to reply to you more often. Maybe you don't want me to now? I'd be sorry about that, too.

With your recent posts, I'm wondering why you didn't just vote for Obama?

Because he wasn't the best candidate. I don't need to villify candidates I don't vote for, and I don't need to sit silently by while other people do.

If it were between only Obama/Democrats and McCain/Republicans, and I didn't have to vote, I wouldn't vote for either one. If it were between the two and I were forced to vote, I would vote for Obama. The Republican Party doesn't give a crap about either the unborn or the children maimed in war. It holds abortion as a perpetual issue over conservatives' heads to keep them voting, but it never actually does anything to stop it. It apparently doesn't care, either, about doubling a $5 trillion national debt, despite its hypocritical claims.

But Republicans and Democrats are really only one, single party, the Plutocratic Party, and thankfully there was another party on the ballot that cares about the unborn, the national debt, and being militarily conservative.