TD Jakes on Obama's win

[dalebert]

(CNN) -- Last night, I like most Americans of all stripes, watched with visible goose bumps as history was made. I sat with my 13-year-old son and looked from the screen to his eyes as Sen. Barack Obama became the first African American in history to lead a U.S. major-party ticket when he claimed the nomination for the Democratic Party for president of the United States.

I congratulate Sen. Obama on this historic accomplishment. I thank him for accepting the torch that was lit by our forefathers and proudly carrying it through the darkness of our struggles, trials and tribulations, bringing light and hope to a new generation, and for facing all those who said "No" and "You can't win," or "It will never happen," and firmly, proudly, defiantly saying, "Yes I can!"

the rest can be read here......http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/04/jakes/index.html

what amazes me? Not one time does TD mention the bible as what a man should process that leads him and guilds him...but that it was history in the making that the man was black and what a victory is was for the black race.....good grief! I never saw TD as a black before but now , i have seen him as one for the first time!

[crispfin]

So you're mad at T.D. Jakes for saying that Obama accomplishing something that for most of this country's history would have been viewed as impossible can give black people hope that they can do anything in America? Is that not a true statement?

[DaJudge]

I think it's great that someone of an ethnicity other than white was elected president. I'm just sad that it was a man whose moral stands on important issues are so opposite of those that I and other evangelical Christians hold dear. I hope a black, Asian, or hispanic person I can vote for runs someday.

[Dr. Ron]

Why are you all posting racist comments.....??? I don't get it ....

Why is everyone so excited about this being a "black man" who isn't a black man....becoming president. Who cares what color a person is?
I understand the "historic" importance of it ....I guess.

It would have been far more historic if it had been a Cherokee Indian or a Creete or a Sioux. Now that would have been historic and symbolic...and more than right.

[free]

Why can't we white folks rejoice in the fact that Obama is half white? Was it Rev. Al or Rev. Jackson who said that he wasn't a real African-American because he didn't have any "slave blood".

[Pastor Gary]

Why are you all posting racist comments....

It would seem that you might be confusing "racism" with "racial awareness."

Jeremy Holcombe attends my church. He is almost 7 feet tall. If I remark that "Jeremy is the tallest guy at church" or "I think it's neat that my church has one of the tallest members of any church in town." is that HEIGHTISM, or height awareness?

[Tim Elston]

It would have been far more historic if it had been a Cherokee Indian or a Creete or a Sioux. Now that would have been historic and symbolic...and more than right.

You're right, Ron: it would be totally awesome to have a Native American president. Our American forefathers enslaved the blacks and slaughtered the Native Americans. There would be a poetic justice, a symbolic redemption, a come-full-circle to the historic event of a Native American president (assuming that we haven't already had one; I'm not sure, did Andrew Jackson or anyone in the 19th century have close Native American ancestry?), and that is why celebrating the occasion of an African American president has so much savor to it. It is all about the national historical narrative. It is a narrative of redemption, resilience, forgiveness, and reconciliation. All these factors matter relative to the tragic early race relations in our story of emergence of national identity.

[DaJudge]

Why are you all posting racist comments.....??? I don't get it ....

Why is everyone so excited about this being a "black man" who isn't a black man....becoming president. Who cares what color a person is?
I understand the "historic" importance of it ....I guess.

If you read my post, I didn't limit what I said to black people. I included all races.

And quite frankly, Ron, I can understand why black folks are rejoicing that a black man was elected.

I don't think it is right to vote for a person solely because he is black (just as I wouldn't vote for a man solely because he was white). But, looking at it from a historical point of view, I do understand why they did it.

[dalebert]

So you're mad at T.D. Jakes for saying that Obama accomplishing something that for most of this country's history would have been viewed as impossible can give black people hope that they can do anything in America? Is that not a true statement?

I'm not mad at TD Jakes or anyone else for that matter. I'm just concern that a man of God(TD) spoke with pride about the color of the skin than he did about the issues that BO promote! I dont have a fight with color....i do with what a person stands for when it comes to Godly issues!
I am not a racist person!

read this article...its just about how i feel about it....i dont agree with all the article claims but most.....
http://townhall.com/Columnists/DougGile ... skin_crawl

[Brenda]

Who knows maybe T.D. Jakes may be another Billy Graham of the W. H.
I don't think B.G. went around with a preaching habit on all the time either. But he still got the message across..eventually.

First you have to show yourself friendly.

[crispfin]

So you're mad at T.D. Jakes for saying that Obama accomplishing something that for most of this country's history would have been viewed as impossible can give black people hope that they can do anything in America? Is that not a true statement?

I'm not mad at TD Jakes or anyone else for that matter. I'm just concern that a man of God(TD) spoke with pride about the color of the skin than he did about the issues that BO promote! I dont have a fight with color....i do with what a person stands for when it comes to Godly issues!
I am not a racist person!

read this article...its just about how i feel about it....i dont agree with all the article claims but most.....
http://townhall.com/Columnists/DougGile ... skin_crawl

First off, let me assure you brother I in no way ever thought you were a racist. I understand what you're saying, but I'm just trying to put myself in the shoes of a member of a minority group that has had a terrible history in this country, and who no doubt has experienced prejudice himself, seeing someone who looks like them achieve something that they would've viewed as impossible. I think that I too would have felt some pride regardless of how I felt about the person's positions.

[one love]

Politics aside if we cant see why it is a historic moment for a Black man to be president then we are not placing ourselves in the shoes of many that have suffered through the years. YES I said MANY have suffered and remember what is was like 30-40-50 years ago.
It is a moment of pride that a people that were sold and bought as slaves and looked at as the scum of the earth, less the human in many instances can now look at a black man being the most powerful man in the nation if not the world.

I am not a fan of him at all and I am tremendously bothered as a American and a Christian but to look past these issues is being a little close minded...

[dalebert]

Politics aside if we cant see why it is a historic moment for a Black man to be president then we are not placing ourselves in the shoes of many that have suffered through the years. YES I said MANY have suffered and remember what is was like 30-40-50 years ago.
It is a moment of pride that a people that were sold and bought as slaves and looked at as the scum of the earth, less the human in many instances can now look at a black man being the most powerful man in the nation if not the world.

I am not a fan of him at all and I am tremendously bothered as a American and a Christian but to look past these issues is being a little close minded...

a "black man"?..........doesnt he has a white mom?...

MANY have suffered and remember what is was like 30-40-50 years ago.
It is a moment of pride that a people that were sold and bought as slaves and looked at as the scum of the earth, less the human in many instances can now look at a black man being the most powerful man in the nation if not the world.

even more reason for him to have mercy on having babies killed every day of our lives! And even more so...to allow a baby that was not aborted right and born alive to die on the table without given them any medical help!

And you know what.....i dont agree with the past, having slavery ..... this man has a chance to bring change....but will he bring change for any of the future unwanted babies? Will he bring change to a nation that has without doubt, turned her back and a most high God? I dont care about color, unless you talk about the color of the heart of a man that is chosen to direct the greatest nation on this God created earth...my prayers have already been spoken , asking that this man be moved to come into a real knowledge of God and that his heart ,though it may seem blacken, turn white from the blood that was shed for him....God help us in the days to come!

[Dr. Ron]

dalebert ....exactly what I was talking about.

With all the hoopla about this first Black president......Tony Dungy of the Indy Colts was the best case study of this I can remember.

When he was asked about being the first black head coach to win a super bowl, he said his proudest achiement was that he was a christian and gave credit to God for his ability to coach. He did not make a part of the celebration. The blacks have to realize "they" didn't put him in the WH....white people did. So, it was more historic in that respect.

I don't have a racial issue....I have a moral issue. I can't be happy for anyone that he is on the road to killing more babies. I am really sorry that I may be disappointing some of you, but this man has no business in this office. I find no consolation in seeing black churches dancing in the aisles for him. If I were a black man I would prefer to wait another 20 years than to see this man in the WH. I am sorry to not join your cool aid party but I can take no comfort at all....nor can I rejoice with them....nor can I understand any christian having any degree of "understanding of the significance of the historical import" ....That is masking. He is my president but I will never agree to be happy about it.

I worked with the civil rights movement here in Nashville from 62-64. I pastored a black church at age 16. It was on music row. Regie's first office on the row was the very room I had service in when I was 16. That was 1963.....it was dangerous. Am I happy for the strides blacks have made???? YES .....and more than you think.....but I cannot set aside his moral issues to be "proud" to see a black man achieve this position....any more than I did with Clinton........to see a kid from Ark, from a single mom...become a Rhodes scholar and then president......but he was a traitor to his country and left to get out of the draft. I never accepted him as a true patriot......and he was a horrible president. He almost destroyed the military and this nut will finish the job.


Sorry folks, I may have to leave here after this post.....cause I am gonna get chewed up and spit out.....but I can't have ANY degree of pride or joy about this election.....too many dead babies in the future.

And I know the arguement....GB didn't stop it either.....but he did stop the partial birth mess.......Zero is gonna sign it the first day of his term.

[free]

Dr. Ron please tell us how you really feel.