TD Jakes on Obama's win

[dolfan]

T.D. Jakes said something?

[DaJudge]

but I can't have ANY degree of pride or joy about this election.....too many dead babies in the future.

I can't either, but then again I ain't black. But I understand why they can have pride and joy in it. I don't agree with them, but I understand.

[one love]

I dont think any of us like him or think he should be in office and if that is your only rebuttal Dalebert or DR Ron you have missed the point entirely.
So I will stop there. It seems that if we can see that it is wonderful our nation is moving aside from racism (for get politics, we all cant stand his psoitions) that I am now accepting the killing of babies That is the most absurd argument I have ever heard.

Yes I am upset he won and very disappointed but I am not so biased to see why some people in our nation are proud. Simple point, nothing more to it.......


If a republican won and was black we would be saying it is great that we have made such strides to elect a black man.

Yes Dalebert he is half white but he looks more black and society would think and call him black if they did not know better. 40 years ago he would also be disgraced as BLACK not WHITE...So look at this on context.

[Paully_44]

I wonder, if the election had been Hillary vs Condi, would the turn out & jubilation been in favor of Condi?

[one love]

I wonder, if the election had been Hillary vs Condi, would the turn out & jubilation been in favor of Condi?

It would have been for us but I doubt it for the dems...sad but true.

[Mike Vande]

I wounder how long it will be before someone points out that Obama is actually only half-black? I mean, he is black enough to have been sold as a slave in the 185o's, but will he be a "black" president in the way Bill Clinton was termed "America's first black president" or will he be a "black" president the way Kanye West, Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson would be? What will determine beyond all doubt if he's really a "BLACK" president, or only a half-black president?

What will determine if he is a good "black" president? Will it be if he carries out the the duties of the office as well as any white man would, will he have to do it ten times better than any white man would, or will he have to champion "black" causes, domestically and internationally, above other priorities?

And I wonder who will point it out, one way of the other? Will it be a KKK/Aryan Nations yay-hoo who thinks Lyndon Johnson was probably part black, or a dissatisfied Black Muslim bozo who wants to disown him for not being black enough? Will it be some "conservative" who calls him a screaming socialist, or a "liberal/progressive" who thinks he's been too nationalistic and not "one world/global" enough, or will it be some "centrist"(so-called) who thinks he's too biased towards one side or the other?

I'll say it again, I feel sorry for the guy. I doubt if he had any idea what he was getting himself into when he decided to run. He's being set up to be the worst disappointment in then history of the presidency, regardless of what he does and/or however well he does it, because nobody could live up to the hype he's entering office under. Barack Obama has a tiger by the ears, not the tail, the ears, and if he let's go for a second, it's gonna bite his head off.

[Pastor Gary]

It's really interesting to talk to the much younger generation about issues of race and ethnicity. When a 16-year-old at church made a reference to Obama, and we discussed his origins in Hawaii, and his mixed-race heritage, the young man didn't realize Obama had one white parent and one black parent. I said "He could just as easily be recognized as a white President" and his remark was "Why would he want to downgrade??"

That was the first time I had consciously realized that, to this young man (who was white) black was much cooler and desirable than white. The music he mostly listens to is made by black people... the athletes he most admires are black... the TV and Movie celebrities he prefers are black... so, for him, blackness is equated with all that is cool and positive.

[one love]

black was much cooler and desirable than white.

this is why it was "cool" to be for obama and you are a "racist" if you were for McCain. That part makes me sick to my stomach. I would watch some Black talk shows or listen to them just to see what was said and this was the mentality......

I have to again say why didnt everyone rally behind alan keyes 8 years ago???? (Of course i know the answer I am speaking sarcastically)

[dalebert]

If a republican won and was black we would be saying it is great that we have made such strides to elect a black man.

not sure how to respond to this part of ur post....again the issue is not the skin...its moral issues,issues that speak of doing things Godly ...whether Rep. or Dem....i dont care one way of the other which party , which color which gender....we(USA) need a change alright....and that change is to get back on the right way of knowing God and doing his right ways! If McCain had the same issues about killing babies as BO...i would not have voted for him as well...dont u get it? Anyone could give us the most best plan to turn this counrty around no matter what color they are and or gender they might be....i dont care!! if its not of God do u really think it will work? Sure there will be some things done right...but never will we be a great country that God has for us as long as we leave God out and do it mans way!!

ok...Dr Ron...i with u bro.....we can sell pencils on the street corners!..


And who do u mean "We"...pale face

[Gerald Creasy]

That was the first time I had consciously realized that, to this young man (who was white) black was much cooler and desirable than white. The music he mostly listens to is made by black people... the athletes he most admires are black... the TV and Movie celebrities he prefers are black... so, for him, blackness is equated with all that is cool and positive.

I lay the blame at MTV.

Seriously.

After they abandoned all music videos all the time it gradually transformed into an almost all black music channel FORCE feedin black culture to those stupid enough to watch.

[DaJudge]

I lay the blame at MTV.

Seriously.

After they abandoned all music videos all the time it gradually transformed into an almost all black music channel FORCE feedin black culture to those stupid enough to watch.

I agree with you, but I would call it "Thug Culture" more than black culture.

[one love]

If a republican won and was black we would be saying it is great that we have made such strides to elect a black man.

not sure how to respond to this part of ur post....again the issue is not the skin...its moral issues,issues that speak of doing things Godly ...whether Rep. or Dem....i dont care one way of the other which party , which color which gender....we(USA) need a change alright....and that change is to get back on the right way of knowing God and doing his right ways! If McCain had the same issues about killing babies as BO...i would not have voted for him as well...dont u get it? Anyone could give us the most best plan to turn this counrty around no matter what color they are and or gender they might be....i dont care!! if its not of God do u really think it will work? Sure there will be some things done right...but never will we be a great country that God has for us as long as we leave God out and do it mans way!!

ok...Dr Ron...i with u bro.....we can sell pencils on the street corners!..


And who do u mean "We"...pale face

First of all you are looking so past the point of the comment... I dont know where to begin...As far as we I am speaking of republicans. I would never vote according to color, I am SIMPLY stating that after people being treated less then human now can see a "Black/white" man as president. Nothing more nothing less, if you do not see that as a good thing...I am sorry. I DONT see OBAMA as a good thing stop confusing the two..

Just as it was a good day in America when everyone could drink out of the same water fountain, vote, not be slaves etc....

Equating these remarks with someone agreeing with abortion is absurd.

Just as many were excited that Palin could be the first woman VICE...except for "poimen" j/k

[Dr. Ron]

To those of you who think I am being absurd because of my statements, I wish to point out to you that in the last 20 years the only real racism in is reverse racism.

The highest paid entertainers, the highest paid athletes, the hightest paid CEOs ( Fannie or Freddie?) the highest paid lawyers......and on and on are black. To think the blacks are still being held back by whites is the real absurdity. Oprah, the Queen of American TV, Bill Cosby ( who btw, sees this the way I do) and many others are far more sucessful than any of us on here.

Again, I don't are that he is black, half-black or Aflac..........I just can find no justification for a Christian to have any real excitement over his winning. I don't think the idea "we finally got one of ours in the WH" is a good image to promote. HE said "we are all the same". but all his supporters are saying .....Whew....finally a black man in the WH....now things will be great.....

Good grief....get a clue.

[crispfin]

To those of you who think I am being absurd because of my statements, I wish to point out to you that in the last 20 years the only real racism in is reverse racism.

The highest paid entertainers, the highest paid athletes, the hightest paid CEOs ( Fannie or Freddie?) the highest paid lawyers......and on and on are black. To think the blacks are still being held back by whites is the real absurdity. Oprah, the Queen of American TV, Bill Cosby ( who btw, sees this the way I do) and many others are far more sucessful than any of us on here.

Again, I don't are that he is black, half-black or Aflac..........I just can find no justification for a Christian to have any real excitement over his winning. I don't think the idea "we finally got one of ours in the WH" is a good image to promote. HE said "we are all the same". but all his supporters are saying .....Whew....finally a black man in the WH....now things will be great.....

Good grief....get a clue.

A question then if we follow this line. Would it then be clueless if people were to have strong feelings if a German Jew became prime minister of Germany regardless of how they felt about the individual's political views? I mean, there are several prominent and successful Jews in all aspects of our life. If this is true, isn't it foolish when a Jew complains about anti-semitism today? I mean, how is it possible for such a thing to exist if Jews are so successful and powerful in society?

I know this probably sounds ridiculous. That's because it is. Racism against blacks does exist. Anti-semitism does exist. And while it may not be institutionalized as it once was, to deny that there are those who have this hate in their hearts is absurd regardless of the success individual members of these hated groups have in society.

[Dr. Ron]

And racism doesn't exist against whites??????

We have seen multiple examples of it here in these posts.....PG's post showed it clearly.

NO, I don't think it should matter that a German Jew becomes president of Germany....that is why racism still exists....because WE keep bringing it up.

That was over then.........should be over now.

Have you ever served in military? There is very little "racism" in war....maybe in the states, but not in battle.