a few years back

[Full Quiver]

I heard that a man was told that he was not the head of his home because he was not a Christian.

Well the Scripture says the man is the head of the wife people usually transcend that to mean the head of the home. That's a different debate.

If God, through the Bible, says that the man is the head over his wife then isn't it true whether that man is a Christian or not, a Muslim, an atheist, etc.?

Isn't God's Word truth regardless of anyone's spiritual standing?

[c u there]

You know Full Quiver, I read that several times because I couldn't believe that I agree with you. Well that is until Oletimer reads it and tells me otherwise, then I must submit!

[n2jesus]

What man and who told him that and under what context?

There is a scripture that says submit to the husband as unto the Lord, meaning if the Lord wouldn't require it or would disallow it, then the submission isn't required...

But the head of the household is the man whether Christian or not...Although it does make it more difficult for both the man and the woman...Even though difficult, it is possible...

[stevenson]

God commanded the woman to obey the husband and the husband to love the wife. If you think about it, the wife would have an easier time with loving and the husband with obeying. It's our nature. But God always asks us to stretch ourselves. He's a good God.

[Penny]

God commanded the woman to obey the husband

Where dose this say that at?

[stevenson]

Gen 3:16 Then the LORD said to the woman, "You will suffer terribly when you give birth. But you will still desire your husband, and he will rule over you."

Any more questions?

[Tim Elston]

Gen 3:16 Then the LORD said to the woman, "You will suffer terribly when you give birth. But you will still desire your husband, and he will rule over you."

Any more questions?

If she stops desiring her husband, does that mean the rule is over, too?

[Penny]

so it dose not say obey..

[stevenson]

So you can rule your kids but they don't have to obey you? I'm confused!

[Penny]

So you can rule your kids but they don't have to obey you? I'm confused!

I do not rule over my kids. I am not there boss, I am there mother. They for the most part listen to me.

[stevenson]

You rule over that which God has given you authority over, don't you? So are you saying you don't have authority over your children?

[Penny]

i fully disagree with how you see this.

[Full Quiver]

Penny, Jesus is the husband of the church (the church is His bride). Must we obey Him?

[rough_rider]

Gen 3:16 Then the LORD said to the woman, "You will suffer terribly when you give birth. But you will still desire your husband, and he will rule over you."

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

[Poimen]

so it dose not say obey..

But other passages do. Most say submit (which I think indicates a difference in relationhip between man and wife and parents and children). It also says wives are to be subject to their husbands. Now, there is not much difference in application between obey, submit, and be subject is there? What does submit mean, if it does not mean to comply or to obey?

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Then of course, older women are ot be an exmaple and teachers to younger women. Those lessons include, among other, teaching wives ot be obedeint to their husbands.

That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Now, I think it important to point out that headship does not relieve you of your subjection to God. Rather it adds another dimension of headship to your "chain of command." The Husband becomes the direct superior with regards to authority to his wife. That said...

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

So, if your husand requires you to do something that would violate your personal relationship with God (i.e. commit personal sin) then submission is not required in such cases. That is the exception, NOT the rule.

Outside of that, biblically, submission is the wife's duty.