Can someone Please tell Obama...

[jinjer]

that there is no "Office of the President Elect." I don't think I have seen such arrogance from an incoming President.


Jinjer

[Dr. Ron]

You are so right . He is arrogance in the worst form.

Sadly we are now up to our ears in Obamania for 4 years. God help us. But, Israel has their king.......

[crispfin]

They needed to come up with a phrase to put on the podium. I think it's the best you could come up with for his state during the two months before his inauguration. I mean, they could've put up a sign that said "(Insert number here) Days Until the Guy America Elected Becomes President" and made a countdown ticker.

[Tim Elston]

You are so right . He is arrogance in the worst form.

Sadly we are now up to our ears in Obamania for 4 years. God help us. But, Israel has their king.......

Sadly, we were drowned in George W. Bush's incompetence for six years. He got better in the last two, only because he had created sufficient disasters from which to learn. At least we had arrogant (Vice) President Dick there to take advantage of the weakness.

[Full Quiver]

Obama is not the president elect until the electoral college elects him.

[dolfan]

I find the podium sign and reference distasteful. At the same time, he's the President-Elect (subject, of course, to the foregone conclusion of Electoral College election -- thanks, FQ). I don't have any better recommendation, but I think something like "White House Transition Team" or a simple "President-Elect Barack Obama" would've sufficed without surrounding him in this mantle of immediate authority that is just unseemly. But, this'll pass. Stuff like this always does. We'll just see what he does when the real deal seal is in front of him. Bush didn't even have his seat warmed in the Oval Office before having to deal with China's shoot-down of our military aircraft and capture of our soliders. Obama better hit the ground running. I just hope against hope he runs it without running it off the road all the way.

[Tim Elston]

I don't have any better recommendation, but I think something like "White House Transition Team" or a simple "President-Elect Barack Obama" would've sufficed without surrounding him in this mantle of immediate authority that is just unseemly.

If he weren't taking some leadership now, people would be blaming him for not stepping up to the plate. The seal in question is all about presenting an image of leadership. Perhaps an accurate seal would have been "Office of the Presumptive President-Elect." I mean, he does have an office from which he is exercising transition responsiblities.

What bothers me is not the seal, but nit-picking Obama for little things like this while not criticizing Bush/Cheney for selling a war rationale on fabricated evidence, for torturing, for outing the identity of a CIA operative, for holding innocent men in prison indefinitely, etc. To do the former without doing the latter is a form of partisan arrogance that far outstrips the connotations of the seal.

[jinjer]

The topic of this thread was not President Bush and VP Cheney and/or the Iraqi war. That/those topics have been discussed at other times. The topic was brought up because that was a current event this morning. Another news conference with a fictitious "office."

This is America and I will continue to express my opinion when and on what I chose. Call me what you will. The expression of my opinion(s) have lasted over many years on this forum, not just on this thread.

Jinjer

[Full Quiver]

Why is a seal needed?

[Pastor Gary]

...for holding innocent men in prison indefinitely, etc. ...

If you are talking about U.S. Border Agents Ramos and Compean, who are innocent in the sense that they were trying to keep an enemy of America out of our country when they shot the slime-bag drug dealer, and are now doing time for this "crime"... if you are talking about those two men who should have been given medals instead of convictions, I agree.

Congressman Dana Rohrabacher says they are being treated worse than detainees housed in Camp 4 in Guantanamo Bay:
"During the press conference, Rep. Rohrabacher pointed out benefits afforded to detainees housed in Camp 4 in Guantanamo Bay that Ramos and Compean are denied while incarcerated in solitary confinement. For example, Gitmo detainees are permitted up to nine hours of access to exercise and recreational facilities that include picnic tables, ping-pong, soccer and volleyball, as well as, permission to view Arabic TV programs, according to Department of Defense news releases. Ramos and Compean, on the other hand, are remanded to a single cell for 23 hours a day, without access to any of the privileges given to inmates in general population."

[Tim Elston]

The topic of this thread was not President Bush and VP Cheney and/or the Iraqi war. That/those topics have been discussed at other times. The topic was brought up because that was a current event this morning. Another news conference with a fictitious "office."

My reference to Bush/Cheney was meant to contrast how some people are quick to criticize Obama for trivial matters while they were never willing to criticize the current administration for travesties of justice and truth.

This is America and I will continue to express my opinion when and on what I chose. Call me what you will. The expression of my opinion(s) have lasted over many years on this forum, not just on this thread.

Me too, fellow American. Feel as free to express your opinion as I do to oppose it.

[Tim Elston]

...for holding innocent men in prison indefinitely, etc. ...

If you are talking about U.S. Border Agents Ramos and Compean, who are innocent in the sense that they were trying to keep an enemy of America out of our country when they shot the slime-bag drug dealer, and are now doing time for this "crime"... if you are talking about those two men who should have been given medals instead of convictions, I agree.

Congressman Dana Rohrabacher says they are being treated worse than detainees housed in Camp 4 in Guantanamo Bay:
"During the press conference, Rep. Rohrabacher pointed out benefits afforded to detainees housed in Camp 4 in Guantanamo Bay that Ramos and Compean are denied while incarcerated in solitary confinement. For example, Gitmo detainees are permitted up to nine hours of access to exercise and recreational facilities that include picnic tables, ping-pong, soccer and volleyball, as well as, permission to view Arabic TV programs, according to Department of Defense news releases. Ramos and Compean, on the other hand, are remanded to a single cell for 23 hours a day, without access to any of the privileges given to inmates in general population."

I'm not familiar with the Ramos and Compean case, but your comments remind me of how southern power used to justify slavery with the argument that blacks were better off as slaves then they were as free men. Holding innocent men in prison indefinitely without charge is not justified by TV and ping-pong privileges.

[Full Quiver]

Elston, are you saying you are not familiar with the 2 border agents that are held in solitary confinement for merely doing their job? If so then please don't tell any of us about what Bush has done or not done because I for one don't want to hear it.

I spoke out against Bush in 2000 before he was elected. I screamed and yelled that he was not a conservative. In 2004 I screamed the same. I have constantly criticized him, second guessed him, etc. I can speak on this issue because I am not in the Bush camp. I never voted for him and often emailed my senators to stand against him.

Don't act all in the know if you are not familiar with the plight Pastor Gary spoke of. Anyone can read anti-Bush blogs and websites and come up with one sided ammo on Bush but those that care know of these 2 men's plight.

My bad, maybe CNN and MSNBC have failed to report on this issue. Don't worry, I forgive you!

[Tim Elston]

Elston, are you saying you are not familiar with the 2 border agents that are held in solitary confinement for merely doing their job?

Yes, I'm telling you that.

If so then please don't tell any of us about what Bush has done or not done because I for one don't want to hear it.

Don't read what you don't want to hear.

I spoke out against Bush in 2000 before he was elected. I screamed and yelled that he was not a conservative. In 2004 I screamed the same. I have constantly criticized him, second guessed him, etc. I can speak on this issue because I am not in the Bush camp. I never voted for him and often emailed my senators to stand against him.

That's awesome. You had better knowledge than I did, because I voted for him in 2000. I applaud you for speaking out against him. Way to go!

Don't act all in the know if you are not familiar with the plight Pastor Gary spoke of. Anyone can read anti-Bush blogs and websites and come up with one sided ammo on Bush but those that care know of these 2 men's plight.

Actually, I got my opinion about Guantanamo by reading a thick book that contained a plethora of White House memoranda and legal opinions. I also read several other books about it--enough to inform me well enough of the administration's position. I haven't read any books on the border guard case.

My bad, maybe CNN and MSNBC have failed to report on this issue.

Considering that I've had cable for only about five months and almost all of my CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News watching was election coverage, it's probably because I just missed it.

Don't worry, I forgive you!

I'm not sure I've ever been forgiven for not being omniscient or not watching enough TV, but thank you. I forgive you, too!

[forestwalker]

Elston, are you saying you are not familiar with the 2 border agents that are held in solitary confinement for merely doing their job? If so then please don't tell any of us about what Bush has done or not done because I for one don't want to hear it.

That's an odd shibboleth to insist on.