Thank you, Mr. President

[Tim Elston]

Irthnvesl, thank you. You stated that well. Your theology is compelling. Awesome.

[scooter]

He offerred the way of peace, but they insisted on revolting.

Response: The problem I have with this is the Islamic extremist of the world do not offer peace.

God's record against such people isn't as "Christlike" as the fairytales of modern revisionist faith.

The nations and leaders that God has on the current scene exist for a reason.

[Russell Roberts]

Scooter,

You have made a good point. Looking to the life of Jesus as an example, how do we deal with those who don't offer peace? Better yet, how does our government deal with those who don't offer peace? I don't disagree that our government should protect its citizens and deal with those guys, I just don't necessarily agree that their strategy was appropriate.

[Gerald Creasy]

Saddam's mass killings were largely in the past and Iraq was relatively stable in the years prior to the invasion.

It's a good think Hitler didnt finish exterminating the Jews before we acted, isnt it.

[scooter]

Scooter,

You have made a good point. Looking to the life of Jesus as an example, how do we deal with those who don't offer peace? Better yet, how does our government deal with those who don't offer peace? I don't disagree that our government should protect its citizens and deal with those guys, I just don't necessarily agree that their strategy was appropriate.

Response: They are lucky someone with God's razing strategy wasn't in charge.

[MacUser]

Neither the Democratic nor the Republican parties have the answers to what ails this nation. Do I hate abortion - absolutely. But Christians have tended to allow the politicians to exploit abortion as a hot button issue drawing attention away from other issues that are also important which the Democrats support.

Absolutely.. but the Democrats have also embraced and catered to the flip side.... ie Pro Gay, Anti-Family, Open borders and Pro Abortion movements also. They have thumbed they're faces at Biblical principles on ANY MATTER OF INTEREST (unless it politically advantageous).

They have proudly pushed and supported these alternative agendas and supported "baby killing" on OUR OWN SOIL with MY TAX DOLLARS.. much less in Iraq in a war zone to FREE AN OPPRESSED PEOPLE.

When you elect a national level Democrat you will INSTANT get all these agendas against traditional family, marriage, pro abortion, entitlements, revolving doors for criminals, actively removing GOD and biblical principles from ANYTHING, Global Warming Religion.... all wrapped in loving socialistic policies etc. So it's not that simple.

Has this ideal filtered into other parties.. SURE.. this is why the Republicans have lost so much ground because they LOOK just like the Democrats and have failed to effectively articulate and engage against these bogus topics... but appear to support.


Honestly.. I really blame it on the DEAD and inactive CHURCHES (comfy inside their 4 walls) unwilling to reach the community and leaders around them as they basically fight internally for position, personal agendas or power... and remain DEAD effectively unable to reach and promote the real salvation and REAL CHANGE. They want to be LIKED AND INCLUDED, LOVED, RESPECTED (around the world).. instead of standing against the wrongs with love. ( Note: The Christian has to ALWAYS give up HIS CORE BELIEFS & VALUES to be accepted and loved ).

We need revival.

[Dr. Ron]

Wow.....It is so hard for me to believe that those who are so enlightened do not see the light.

We have always been a country that liberates the oppressed. We did not enter WWI when we should have and "fetuses" died in the wombs of mothers in Europe. We had to be forced into WWII while the same thing happened.

But, once we are in, we do finish the ideas of liberation (Viet Nam aside).

Strategic issues are always important to the safety of this country. We lost the lease on the air base in Rihad, Saudi Arabia. We can't be without a presence in the Arab world without Israel being wiped out. The base in Bagdad now BELONGS to us. It is not leased ....we own it. It is sovergn US territory. We were not going to be able to continue to have a "no fly" zone.

Saddam had the planes loaded to go into Israel. He was only stopped when he was informed that US provided radar intercept planes would shoot down the Iraqi planes over Syria.....or elswhere ....far from Israel.

The members of congress all know this stuff. Obama is not going to pull our troops out any more than he is going to help our economy. It isn't ever going to happen.

The war in Iraq was as necessary to our National Security as could be. Notice that there has not been another attack on American soil in 8 years. We are hitting them in their homes....not ours. I like that kind of strategy.

The war did not open a new front for the Afghanys. We pulled them into a more "seeable" area of conflict. I would much rather fight them in Iraq than in Afghany. You know the areas over there Tim........

Religion aside............we were right in liberating Iraq and you will live to see the rightness of the decision.

[one love]

Obama has already mentioned that he will not pull troops out of Iraq. He will also not take back Bush tax cuts and will not raise taxes any time soon because he does not want to hurt the economy. Funny how he did not mention all this in the campaign, as a matter of fact I believe he said

I will pull the troops out of IRAQ, take back the Bush Tax cuts and raise taxes on those making more then 250k a year....Now he all of sudden realizes this would hurt the economy more??? So is that not saying that "hey McCain was right and I was wrong"? These were all McCains positions...Why is nobody else noticing or talking about this while they drool over Obama?

[one love]

matter of fact he slams McCain for that on the late show when talking about Palin..Now he accepts these positions I dont get it...Well I do but still...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkM66VEf ... -fresh+div

so has he now accepted the "failed policies of George Bush"

Iraq
Bush tax cuts
Increase taxes on the rich....

[RamboPreacher]

If I were president, I would step down with the capitulation agreement that MacUser replace me.

[Russell Roberts]

Tim, thanks for your comment. That means a lot brother.

[MacUser]

If I were president, I would step down with the capitulation agreement that MacUser replace me.

He did call me.. but I hung up on him. Maybe I should have listened?


'flabbergasted' Obama call wasn't prank
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD94S1QC01

[oletimer]

Tim Elston
Irthnvesl, thank you. You stated that well. Your theology is compelling. Awesome

I know that I shouldn't do this but his THEOLOGY STINKS. his nerve and imagination is wild and many think that it is funny, well I don"t. His post, "Will we have SEX in heaven?" is a prime example of what I'm talking about. I guess that is why I seldom read any of his threads. More then anything I can't get past the titles.

I reatty didn't intent to highjack this thread, it was all ready highjacked. Mod if you want to delete or move to "Honest Question From Irthenvesl" I'll understand.

I'm really not trying to hurt Irthenvesl, but he and everybody has had their say and well, his praise for his theology was the last straw. Thanks

[Russell Roberts]

Oletimer, I wish you would make reading my threads more rare. Honestly, I'm sick and tired of your criticism. It you don't like my theology, post your own or try to refute mine from scripture. If you aren't estudious enough to do that you should just keep your mouth shut. I personally think YOUR THEOLOGY STINKS.

[Tim Elston]

I know that I shouldn't do this but his THEOLOGY STINKS.

His theology is intelligent and refreshing. It demonstrates a creative mind, a lively spirit, and a heart of gold. It shows that he has jumped out of some entrenched ruts and discovered a layer of meaning that few enjoy. Irthnvesl refreshes me. His heart is sensitive. His spirit is joyful. His mind is inquisitive.