Thank you, Mr. President

scooter · Postby **scooter** » December 5th, 2008, 5:04 am

irthnvesl wrote:Well, Scooter, would you read one of my posts in which I did? I would love to discuss some of Paul's arguments over in the doctrine forum with you.

Response: That's cool. Maybe if you could strip away some of the trappings.

Russell Roberts · Postby **Russell Roberts** » December 5th, 2008, 5:06 am

Ok, I'll make a post. Look forward to the conversation.

Tim Elston · Postby **Tim Elston** » December 5th, 2008, 6:02 am

scooter wrote:Response: Tell you what, IF IN HEAVEN, the rainbow represents gay pride, there are cup holders on the elders thrones for their favorite brewski, and I see you and Irthin holding hands with Rev. Wright singing a chorus of G D America, while watching a few Islamic Extremist terrorist bombers frolic with their virgins, I'll be the first to confess that you were right and the narrow way was much more broad than I had thought.

As innane as this response is, it is at least a tacit withdrawal from the rationale of making war on a country as a tactic to divert terrorist activity there, leaving that country's people to suffer the ravages of both war and terrorism.

scooter · Postby **scooter** » December 5th, 2008, 6:05 am

Tim Elston wrote:
As innane as this response is, it is at least a tacit withdrawal from the rationale of making war on a country as a tactic to divert terrorist activity there, leaving that country's people to suffer the ravages of both war and terrorism.

Response: Oh those poor free people. :roll:

Tim Elston · Postby **Tim Elston** » December 5th, 2008, 6:24 am

pastorables wrote:
Tim Elston wrote:
scooter wrote:The overriding sense of creating a "beachhead" in Iraq against Islamic extremist makes sense to me. I would have done it, but with more intial force.

That's like defecating on a distant neighbor's patio and sticking fly strips in it to keep flies out of your own back yard. It's neither conservative, nor American, nor humane. In fact, it's evil.

Kind of like when God instructed Israel to completely eradicate the Amelakites? Again, war and killing is an historical fact of life.

Though they didn't fully obey, leaving some of the race and livestock alive, which brought about persecution from this enemy in the future.

Pastorables, are you suggesting that the genocide of the Amalekites in the Samuel narrative is on the table in some sense as a guiding ethic in American foreign policy toward the Middle East? This is a fair question because you brought the genocide up as a response to my implication that American foreign policy should be conducted with respect to conservative, American, and humane ethical considerations. My mention that it is evil not to conduct it this way elicited what seemed to be an implication that since, according to the Samuel narrative, God commanded the genocide of the Amalekites, our foreign policy does not have to be guided by humane ethical considerations. Could you please clarify?

(By the way, the Iraqis are not descendent from the Amalekites.)

Tim Elston · Postby **Tim Elston** » December 5th, 2008, 6:32 am

scooter wrote:Response: Oh those poor free people.

Free, at last. Better them than us, right? As long as it's a tactic.

Dr. Ron · Postby **Dr. Ron** » December 5th, 2008, 6:51 am

Thanks for the photos.
Yep, war is hell for anyone who has to endure it. I assure you that there were more of those kinds of photos taken DURING the reign of Saddam than there were during our very short war to liberate them.

Ask the Iraqis how they feel. They tell my guys there that they are happy to be free. They praise us .....just don't get reported,.

They have better health care than ever. Children are not starving in Children's prison anymore....they are not being sold into slavery anymore.

War is Hell! No doubt about it.......I hate war.

But it will always be a part of our existance. So, let it be on other men't soil.
Do I care more about my grandchildren than anyone else's ???/YOU BET!!!

And Tim, should you be so fortunate to one day find a family your whole concept will change. Trust me.

scooter · Postby **scooter** » December 5th, 2008, 8:44 am

Tim Elston wrote:
scooter wrote:Response: Oh those poor free people.

Free, at last. Better them than us, right? As long as it's a tactic.

Response: No tears here.

What cost will eventually come from a nuclear armed Islamic nut job?

You think we couldn't break out sob stories about Iraq before the war?

You and I differ. That's it plain and simple. You buy left I buy right.

When we look back I'll be interested to see how history records these past few years.

If I turn out to be wrong feel free to smack me when I'm old because I couldn't pass up the joy if you are.

one love · Postby **one love** » December 5th, 2008, 9:00 am

Saddam's reign was a living nightmare for these people as well. At least we attempt to not hurt the innocent, however terrorist aim to hurt the innocent.
Shall we post 9-11 photos?

scooter · Postby **scooter** » December 5th, 2008, 9:11 am

one love wrote:Saddam's reign was a living nightmare for these people as well. At least we attempt to not hurt the innocent, however terrorist aim to hurt the innocent.
Shall we post 9-11 photos?

Response: Oh you know that Iraq didn't have anything to do with that. All Islamic nutjobs are not cut from the same cloth. :roll:

Tim Elston · Postby **Tim Elston** » December 5th, 2008, 9:18 am

scooter wrote:Oh you know that Iraq didn't have anything to do with that.

That's exactly right, Scooter. Iraq was not responsible for 9/11 and had nothing to do with it.

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » December 5th, 2008, 9:32 am

Tim Elston wrote:
scooter wrote:Oh you know that Iraq didn't have anything to do with that.

That's exactly right, Scooter. Iraq was not responsible for 9/11 and had nothing to do with it.

while you are free to live in this great republic of ours, sounds like you need to move since you are apparently need an edubacashun.

not responsible - I can agree with. nothing to do with? not.

scooter · Postby **scooter** » December 5th, 2008, 9:54 am

Tim Elston wrote:
scooter wrote:Oh you know that Iraq didn't have anything to do with that.

That's exactly right, Scooter. Iraq was not responsible for 9/11 and had nothing to do with it.

Response: I wonder why we didn't invade and liberate the Swiss.

I wouldn't care if we did the same to Iraq, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, or Youjerkistan, etc.

The mindset that these countries foster is clear. They enable the 911's of the world. They must be stopped.

Defending people who dress their children in suicide bomber outfits may fly in San Fran but we don't buy it here.

Tim Elston · Postby **Tim Elston** » December 5th, 2008, 10:08 am

RamboPreacher wrote:nothing to do with? not.

What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » December 5th, 2008, 10:21 am

Tim Elston wrote:
RamboPreacher wrote:nothing to do with? not.

What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?

how about you PROVE how it had nothing to do with it - you are the one that posted it. You have to prove it. you painted with a very wide paintbrush there. rather big words, as it were. it's up to YOU to show how Iraq, had NOTHING to do with 911. you might want to start with your definition of Iraq, perhaps you are talking about the actual land of Iraq, in that case, I am still not sure that it had absolutely nothing to do with 911.

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