Ray Boltz new song "Don't Tell Me Who to Love"

crispfin · Postby **crispfin** » December 11th, 2008, 6:10 pm

dalebert wrote:man i pray that none of you will be the one i stand in front of for final judgement!!

Well I don't know if God will be judging us on artistry, which is the standard I used for the song, but if He does I could offer some pointers. :wink:

valley · Postby **valley** » December 11th, 2008, 7:09 pm

Wes wrote:
At least he is being honest about who he is.

WHAT is that supposed to mean???

He IS a homosexual sinner!!! He doesn't deserve any respect. I still pray for him too, but I'm not gonna lower the bar and say that's just who he is. That is a cop out.

It means exactly what it means. No need over reacting. What I am saying is that I have more respect for him than I do the person that condemns the open homosexual while they themselves do the samething. Yet it is the latter that get's respect from the church and the former that is called sick, twisted and demon possessed.

Wes · Postby **Wes** » December 11th, 2008, 8:07 pm

valley wrote:
Wes wrote:
At least he is being honest about who he is.

WHAT is that supposed to mean???

He IS a homosexual sinner!!! He doesn't deserve any respect. I still pray for him too, but I'm not gonna lower the bar and say that's just who he is. That is a cop out.

It means exactly what it means. No need over reacting. What I am saying is that I have more respect for him than I do the person that condemns the open homosexual while they themselves do the samething. Yet it is the latter that get's respect from the church and the former that is called sick, twisted and demon possessed.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't understand your logic. I have about the same amount of respect for both of them. Absolutely ZERO! Just because one man is open about his sin and the other hides it doesn't excuse either one. They both are guilty of the same thing. Usually the one that is open with their sin is the one that has justified it in their mind. That seems to be the case with Ray Boltz. He appears to have bought into this idea that God created him a homosexual. The truth of the matter is, he has been tempted with sin and chose disobedience.

I don't respect him at all.

I believe that one of our responsibilities in the body of Christ is to confront those that are living in gross sin and if they remain unrepentant, disassociate with them. We also need to be vocal about our disagreement with his lifestyle. Ray Boltz doesn't need our sympathy or our respect he needs our prayers and our judgment. 1 Corinthians 5.

Russell Roberts · Postby **Russell Roberts** » December 12th, 2008, 1:47 am

Wes,

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Hand this man over to the satan...

Cast out the leaven from among you for Christ our passover lamb has been sacrificed.

What? Are we not to judge...

Our decisions as a body should reflect decisions that have ALREADY been made in heaven. That's why we pray "...thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven..."

It is one thing to struggle with sin...it is a completely different thing to attempt to publicly justify that sin and live in open rebellion against God. I think there are probably legitimate Christians out there who struggle with homosexuality just as many other Christians struggle against other types of sin. I don't think that homosexuality is among the most egregious sins out there as many think. But Ray Boltz has crossed the line and needs to be publicly excommunicated.

Mike Vande · Postby **Mike Vande** » December 12th, 2008, 2:11 am

Well, what do you know? Do you believe in life after God?

What's his next "hit" gonna be? "Watch The Lame"?

DaJudge · Postby **DaJudge** » December 12th, 2008, 5:05 am

Love the dance club disco beat to the song. If the Village People were to cover this tune it could be a big hit. :roll:

Paully_44 · Postby **Paully_44** » December 12th, 2008, 6:59 am

dalebert wrote:man i pray that none of you will be the one i stand in front of for final judgement!!

Just because I cant now, nor never have been able to stomach his cheesy music?

PastorP · Postby **PastorP** » December 13th, 2008, 6:12 am

dalebert wrote:man i pray that none of you will be the one i stand in front of for final judgement!!

It is not material what man, the preacher or anyone else judges to be sin, it is what God has to say about it that counts and the Bible clearly speaks to us that the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination in God's eyes. Sin is still sin and always will be. Don't hate the homosexual, but don't compromise the truth this lifestyle is sinful.

Russell Roberts · Postby **Russell Roberts** » December 13th, 2008, 6:41 am

PastorP,

You sir, are sharp. You should comment more often.

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » December 13th, 2008, 8:22 am

Our decisions as a body should reflect decisions that have ALREADY been made in heaven. That's why we pray "...thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven..."

And a big Amen to that!!!

Too often folks get it backward and say God does as the church says.

dalebert · Postby **dalebert** » December 14th, 2008, 8:41 am

Sorry , i am not dodging you all, i've had some life situations than have hinder me from responding..."dont judge me?

Brenda · Postby **Brenda** » December 14th, 2008, 6:42 pm

Commenting on those that spoke of the words to the song.

I agree.

Isn't it amazing how blah the words to a song are without the music. (sometimes)lol
Some words are so repetitious and don't make a bit of sense. blah blah blah.

dalebert · Postby **dalebert** » December 15th, 2008, 7:15 am

Paully_44 wrote:
dalebert wrote:man i pray that none of you will be the one i stand in front of for final judgement!!

Just because I cant now, nor never have been able to stomach his cheesy music?

No sorry my quote does give it to u all ...sorry for the way i responded...each is in the eye (or should i say ear) of the beholder....Rays music , in his season, did inspire me. If you give the words a chance to say what the song(s) are about.....I dont know Ray personally but i do know someone who is close to the family. Ray came from a small area chruch and there most of his songs were birth. Not all music is for all people! It was soon that after i gave my hearth back to God that Ray's music came out....it helped me...??

dalebert · Postby **dalebert** » December 15th, 2008, 7:18 am

CantBCoy wrote:I'm sorry, but as I listened to this all I could see was Ray dressed as Cher.

So a brother in the Lord has fallen into sin and you make jokes about it?

So if we know whats in your closet can we make jokes about you?

dalebert · Postby **dalebert** » December 15th, 2008, 7:22 am

Wes wrote:
At least he is being honest about who he is.

WHAT is that supposed to mean???

He IS a homosexual sinner!!! He doesn't deserve any respect. I still pray for him too, but I'm not gonna lower the bar and say that's just who he is. That is a cop out.

So a brother who walked with God has fallen and this is how you classify him, "homosexual sinner"!!! I hope you dont live in a class house my brother!

Jude 2