Ray Boltz new song "Don't Tell Me Who to Love"

[dalebert]

At least he is being honest about who he is.

WHAT is that supposed to mean???

He IS a homosexual sinner!!! He doesn't deserve any respect. I still pray for him too, but I'm not gonna lower the bar and say that's just who he is. That is a cop out.

And what kind of respect do u deserve? Do u know that Jesus would never act like u and yet u are to be Christ like?

[dalebert]

man i pray that none of you will be the one i stand in front of for final judgement!!

It is not material what man, the preacher or anyone else judges to be sin, it is what God has to say about it that counts and the Bible clearly speaks to us that the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination in God's eyes. Sin is still sin and always will be. Don't hate the homosexual, but don't compromise the truth this lifestyle is sinful.

I am not agreeing with that type of sin , it is an abomination but some have seen to quickly attack a man who was at one time walking with God and instead of praying for the man we openly push him down even more! And we say we are the church?

[bibleguy]

It is one thing to struggle with sin...it is a completely different thing to attempt to publicly justify that sin and live in open rebellion against God. I think there are probably legitimate Christians out there who struggle with homosexuality just as many other Christians struggle against other types of sin. I don't think that homosexuality is among the most egregious sins out there as many think. But Ray Boltz has crossed the line and needs to be publicly excommunicated.

Agreed. We all have things that tempt us in this world. Even when we embrace them, unless our conscience is seared and we be reprobates, we know that they are wrong. He struggled with it.

But having yielded his members to sin, he is now justifying it? No doubt many Christians will embrace him, and his point of view. He will then have to give account, not only of his own sin, but for any he has led away.

Yes, we must attempt to reach him to restore him, and pray for him. However, if he doesn't repent, Jesus said to treat him like an heathen man and a publican (both despised in those days, and kept from participation in the holy things).

What about Reba McIntyre's recent confession that she believes in reincarnation, and that she and her son shared past lives? Still she professes Christianity.

[bibleguy]

Just listened to it...

What's his next big single?

"I kissed a guy and I liked it. The taste of his plain chapstick
I kissed a guy just to try it. I hope my church don't mind it"

???

I really feel that homosexuality is the source of the next great attack on Christianity, its doctrine and its moral authority.

We will be demonized as intolerant, phobic, and unfair. With our ability to love being challenged, no doubt, many good Christians will capitulate and find it in their hearts to accept behavior that is worse than immoral -- it is perversion. We can't allow the world to define morality. We can't allow them to use scriptures against us out of context (like, "Judge not that ye be not judged"). Intimidation is a tactic of Satan.

We must, after the way they call heresy, worship the God of our fathers, believing EVERYTHING that is written in the Scriptures, no matter how unpopular, or politically incorrect.

Yes God is a loving God, “Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin," but the same Scripture points out the other edge of that sword, "and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation” (Exodus 34:7).

We cannot be sorry for the harshness of the truth. We are so busy trying to fulfil the words of Jude in verses 21 & 22 “Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference," believing that to be the only way to reach the lost, that we have forsaken the other (equally acceptable method), "And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh” (Jude 1:21-23).

We must not be ashamed of the Gospel, but rather speak it, being gentle when necessary, and ready to do so with great boldness in the Holy Ghost, should the situation call for it (and even if other Christian brothers feel that you are over-the-top).

[Wes]

man i pray that none of you will be the one i stand in front of for final judgement!!

It is not material what man, the preacher or anyone else judges to be sin, it is what God has to say about it that counts and the Bible clearly speaks to us that the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination in God's eyes. Sin is still sin and always will be. Don't hate the homosexual, but don't compromise the truth this lifestyle is sinful.

I agree with you Pastor P.

[Wes]

Sorry , i am not dodging you all, i've had some life situations than have hinder me from responding..."dont judge me?

We would never judge you sir, as long as you're not a homosexual that claims to be a Christian.

[Wes]

At least he is being honest about who he is.

WHAT is that supposed to mean???

He IS a homosexual sinner!!! He doesn't deserve any respect. I still pray for him too, but I'm not gonna lower the bar and say that's just who he is. That is a cop out.

So a brother who walked with God has fallen and this is how you classify him, "homosexual sinner"!!! I hope you dont live in a class house my brother!

That is how God classifies him. The reason I used the term "homosexual sinner" was to highlight the fact that his sin was not just an occasional overwhelming temptation, but a lifestyle. He goes on further and accepts this lie from the Satan that "it's just who he is. That is a lie. God created him just like he did you and I, in his image. He should repent and turn from homosexuality. Don't you agree. I would like to know your opinion on 1 Corinthians 5. Don't you think that this applies to Ray Boltz?

To answer your question. Yes, I do live in a glass house and you should too. My life is open to my brothers and sisters in Christ. If I have unrepentant sin in my life I want you to hold me responsible.

[Wes]

You are the one that is judging. I do pray for Ray. Why don't you give me the benefit of the doubt like you do Ray. He is the one that has traded the truth for a lie, yet you would prefer to stand with him. I'll stand with my brothers that love the lord and serve him with their actions as well as their words. Sounds to me like you need to mature a little. I recommend that you be mentored by a strong brother in the faith.

You accuse me for not praying for him yet you don't even know me. You don't ride around with me in my truck while I pray. You don't hear the words that I speak to the father. Shame on you, sir.

[Wes]

Just listened to it...

What's his next big single?

"I kissed a guy and I liked it. The taste of his plain chapstick
I kissed a guy just to try it. I hope my church don't mind it"

???

I really feel that homosexuality is the source of the next great attack on Christianity, its doctrine and its moral authority.

We will be demonized as intolerant, phobic, and unfair. With our ability to love being challenged, no doubt, many good Christians will capitulate and find it in their hearts to accept behavior that is worse than immoral -- it is perversion. We can't allow the world to define morality. We can't allow them to use scriptures against us out of context (like, "Judge not that ye be not judged"). Intimidation is a tactic of Satan.

We must, after the way they call heresy, worship the God of our fathers, believing EVERYTHING that is written in the Scriptures, no matter how unpopular, or politically incorrect.

Yes God is a loving God, “Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin," but the same Scripture points out the other edge of that sword, "and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation” (Exodus 34:7).

We cannot be sorry for the harshness of the truth. We are so busy trying to fulfil the words of Jude in verses 21 & 22 “Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference," believing that to be the only way to reach the lost, that we have forsaken the other (equally acceptable method), "And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh” (Jude 1:21-23).

We must not be ashamed of the Gospel, but rather speak it, being gentle when necessary, and ready to do so with great boldness in the Holy Ghost, should the situation call for it (and even if other Christian brothers feel that you are over-the-top).

Awesome post. You are awesome!!!

[valley]

At least he is being honest about who he is.

WHAT is that supposed to mean???

He IS a homosexual sinner!!! He doesn't deserve any respect. I still pray for him too, but I'm not gonna lower the bar and say that's just who he is. That is a cop out.

So a brother who walked with God has fallen and this is how you classify him, "homosexual sinner"!!! I hope you dont live in a class house my brother!

That is how God classifies him. The reason I used the term "homosexual sinner" was to highlight the fact that his sin was not just an occasional overwhelming temptation, but a lifestyle. He goes on further and accepts this lie from the Satan that "it's just who he is. That is a lie. God created him just like he did you and I, in his image. He should repent and turn from homosexuality. Don't you agree. I would like to know your opinion on 1 Corinthians 5. Don't you think that this applies to Ray Boltz?

To answer your question. Yes, I do live in a glass house and you should too. My life is open to my brothers and sisters in Christ. If I have unrepentant sin in my life I want you to hold me responsible.

In the story that I posted, the minister is as much a homosexual as Boltz is. This is not an "occasional overwhelming temptation," but his life that he is living. It is not an occasional frolic on the dark side, but a daily adventure into familiar territory. So while one may conclude that Boltz is a "homosexual sinner" it would also be justified to conclude that the minister is a "hypocritical, homosexual, lying, adulterer sinner."

Perhaps we should just drop all of the qualifiers such as hypocritical and homosexual and lying and adulterer and fill in the blank with your sin of choice in front of the word sinner. We are all sinners. We have all sinned. Not one of us is faultless before God.

So while we are calling Boltz and the minister sinners, go ahead, let's raise our hands and admit who we are as well, we are sinners. Welcome to Sinners Anonymous. Confession is just a start, now let me introduce you to our one step solution to our sin problem: Jesus.

While you may find homosexuality detestible, I find fake holiness detestible. Hence, I admire Boltz for being honest about who he is while I find it discusting that the minister in question is a fake.

[Wes]

You said in your last post.

While you may find homosexuality detestible, I find fake holiness detestible. Hence, I admire Boltz for being honest about who he is while I find it discusting that the minister in question is a fake

I too find them both disgusting and detestable. However, I just wouldn't esteem one over the other. Both are involved in homosexuality and should repent. We as the body should practice church discipline and put them outside the body of believers if they don't repent. As for Ray he just changed churches. He now goes to one that is in existence for the soul purpose of distorting the gospel of Jesus. Please brothers and sisters be on guard against the wiles of the devil.

I disagree with the notion that all sin is equal. Or as you put it sin is sin. I do agree that all sin whether big or small has been atoned for in Christ's death and resurrection. And we can't earn our salvation.

I find it difficult to admire his honesty for being homosexual when he has traded the truth of God's word for a lie. I wouldn't call that honesty. Maybe, delusional is a better word.

Do you believe that people that practice homosexuality were born homo or choose that lifestyle? I think we all have choices in life, we either choose light or darkness.

[pastorables]

I am not agreeing with that type of sin , it is an abomination but some have seen to quickly attack a man who was at one time walking with God and instead of praying for the man we openly push him down even more! And we say we are the church?

How do we know that Boltz was really walking with the Lord? My understanding is that he was in the closet with this sin for years.

pa

[bibleguy]

Why don't you give me the benefit of the doubt like you do Ray.

You are SOOO right! With these few true words, you got me so fired up!

I'm all for turning the other cheek, walking two miles and giving my shirt, coat, AND my long underwear, but PUH-LEEZ. The people of the world need us to bend over backwards, but when will our Christian brethren get a godly backbone and stand with their fellow believers?

Back when they had the million man march, I was fellowshipping with several black brothers (no double entendre intended) who were going to be attending Mr. Farrakhan's event. I told them that they were doing so in error. As Christians, they and I are supposed to have more in common -- even though our skin colors are different -- than they do with an infidel. But they felt an affinity because of skin tone.

It's a MARCH, and the scriptures clearly say, “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?” (Amos 3:3). And again, “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” (2 Corinthians 6:14).

It was politically correct and popular for them to go to the MMM, but they needed to stand with me -- for a defence of the Gospel.

Some want to call themselves African-Americans, others - European-Americans, others Native Americans, Some Asian-Americans. I must be a CHRISTIAN-AMERICAN, for my native land is not of this earth. I have a citizenship that supercedes my American heritage, and that allegiance commands the faithfulness of my heart.

It is with my fellowcitizens of this heritage, that I wll stand shoulder-to-shoulder, lifting up the name of our great commander, Jesus Christ the Lord. SOMEBODY STAND WITH ME!!!!!


*whew*

BTW, thanks Wes for the nice words...

[valley]

Do you believe that people that practice homosexuality were born homo or choose that lifestyle? I think we all have choices in life, we either choose light or darkness.

SENSORED

[pastorables]

Do you believe that people that practice homosexuality were born homo or choose that lifestyle? I think we all have choices in life, we either choose light or darkness.

I believe homosexuals choose their sexuality about as much as heterosexuals choose.

Does this say what I think?