Irthnvesl's complaint about dave c's devotional

[scooter]

Hey Shellie, maybe we could use a mental health forum.

I'm afraid Scooter needs more than an online forum for that.

Scooter, you have a severe anti-social pathology that needs professional attention. I said last night that there must be some good to you for you to be a successful father and pastor. While I can give you the benefit of the doubt on that, largely because I assume it to be true, since I don't know first hand, I nonetheless have a hard time not believing that the kind of attitude with which you have marked your territory on Jude 2 would not affect other areas of your life. You need help.

Someone said that Irthnvesl should leave because, in his estimation, Irthnvesl was not Christ-like and had written rude PMs. If that is the standard of acceptance, then Scooter would have to go, too. I have rarely, if ever, seen a Christ-like gesture from Scooter, and every word he has ever spoken to me has been rude. A year or two ago when I PMed him in order to seek reconciliation, he threw it back in my face with exactly the same contempt and venom with which he always addresses me on the board.

Scooter, you have a pathology. If you don't get help for it, much more than your security on Jude 2 is going to suffer.

Response: Was that the time that you had taken the Lord's name in vain?

No matter what Betty Crocker cookbook you get your ethics from your rambles don't rattle me.

You hate me because I tell the truth, but for that I am a liar, hypocrite, a coward, a bully, a yahoo, a hyena, and in need of serious help.

Have you stopped hanging out with fairies in tutus that sleep in coffins? Have you stopped denying God? Regained some aspect of faith? You presented yourself here as reprobate. You did that. You have enough people presenting to you loving a God that would welcome you back. I hope you find that type of forgiveness.

Your past record of using your intellect to wow people does not scare me in the sense you may think.

You were using your intellect to destroy what God was doing in others the last time you were here. You sowed many seeds of doubt until you finally crossed the line of cursing using God's name here for all to see. It was truly sad. Such a waste.

There are many people who may not know you. We do, at least to the degree you have allowed us. I hope you have changed. That would be great news.

What would Christ do to someone who used their reprobate intellect to sow discord in a fellowship? Any guesses? I know the modern gospel, that many have bought into, would say what ever will be will be, but you are marked as one who has sowed such discord.

Cunning craftiness is not a substitute for true spirituality.

Christ like wow what a mouthful.

If you think my moderation is lacking you err. You have no idea how much I disdain the spirit that drives you.

[Tim Elston]

You have no idea how much I disdain the spirit that drives you.

I am not at all ashamed of who I am, Scooter. The spirit that is in me loves what is right and true. Yes, I have my faults, and yes I indeed made mistakes last time. I am not making them this time. In the little world of your mind, hate me. As you hate me, you also hate the good that is in me. But I have so far outgrown religious coersion and its sociological power that I am only influenced, if at all religiously, by what is loving, and good, and praiseworthy. Cast your hatred for me in whatever spiritual terms you like, I am imperious to your intimidation. If you make yourself my enemy in the name of God, that's your problem, and I will never be deceived to doubt otherwise.

[scooter]

You have no idea how much I disdain the spirit that drives you.

I am not at all ashamed of who I am, Scooter. The spirit that is in me loves what is right and true. Yes, I have my faults, and yes I indeed made mistakes last time. I am not making them this time. In the little world of your mind, hate me. As you hate me, you also hate the good that is in me. But I have so far outgrown religious coersion and its sociological power that I am only influenced, if at all religiously, by what is loving, and good, and praiseworthy. Cast your hatred for me in whatever spiritual terms you like, I am imperious to your intimidation. If you make yourself my enemy in the name of God, that's your problem, and I will never be deceived to doubt otherwise.

Response: No Tim no hate here. Caution, sure.

Tim are you saying you now believe God? Have accepted Christ?

Or is your reason one that supercedes such a narrow perspective?

[Tim Elston]

Response: No Tim no hate here.

For that proposition you have no one to convince but me. Put up or shut up.

[paul]

"All of this is so true"....there is not one thing about him that is Christ like NOTHING, i have had the displeasure of PM's from him and he is down right RUDE can't we all agree and ask him for a early Christmas present and that is GO AWAY.....

Personaly the above quote is probably the worse quote I have seen on this forum. It is self rightous, judgemental to the core. It is also far from the truth.

Each of us have been created in the image of God, whether we like one another or not. Whether we agree with one another or not. And if created in the image of God then that image is also the image of Christ. So indeed their is something about him that is Christ like.

This thread is reminding me more and more why I left this organization (cogop) which most on here are, many years ago.

Response: So far from the truth? How do you know what face irthn has presented to this individual? You don't. Period you don't.

Yes we are all created. Your all the image of Christ thought is fantasy.

Irthn has called Shellie a liar, used gutteral language, strirred division, apparently abused people behind the scenes, slandered people, called people all kinds of names, his favorite being hypocrite. Hypocrite means one doesn't buy what he is selling. Yeah real Christ like.

Sure he has good points. Great potiential. Good study and info. However the presentation, for many, makes the volume of information moot.

I know this presents another chance for a dig at the CoGop, like this has anything to do with a particular church. Is Figilfe CoGop? Did you know before you jumped on the chance to drag the church's name through the mud again? No.

That's okay though.

His not being able to teach people his new found truths has nothing to do with tradition, the CoGop, or just me.

It has everything to do with him, whether you see it or not.

No bone to pick with either you or your wife. But as I have read the commentsin this thread, IMHO it is the most childish and silliest thread I have seen. I am not taking an opportunity to drag cogop down. I told you the truth...this thread and the comments reminded me, why I left. What comes across is simply, our way or the hiway. That may be the farthest thing in any ones mind and could be completely the opposite, but that is how it comes across to Me. And I simply posted how it came across to me. When people annoy some on this forum some desire they be banned, and it is amazing how quick so many are to jump on the cermonial bandwagon.

[valley]

Now we don our gay apparel fa la la la la la la

wonder what that looks like.. my.. how the meaning of words can change.

Just ask Ray Boltz, he'll write a song about it!

Now that was funny.

[Shellie]

Paul wrote:

No bone to pick with either you or your wife.

No support for me doing my job either. Yet, you support those that have no problem busting my chops for doing my job.

But as I have read the commentsin this thread, IMHO it is the most childish and silliest thread I have seen.

Perhaps that is because you are not the original target of the thread. If you were, this thread might carry a bit more bite.

our way or the hiway.

Opposed to what....I want to do things my way or I'll just make it miserable for those that are watching over the highway? This particular issue is not "my way". It is the guidelines that Gary set up for the board that he owns. Bucking against it to the point of slandering and harassing and attacking the moderaters every few days is okay, but me trying to do my job makes me the bad guy. Okay.

[Russell Roberts]

What we have here is a paradox. A man who, according to the multitude of allusions by the moderator, embraces ideals or a lifestyle he detests, has demonstrated the kind of love the moderator claims to espouse but clearly doesn't. Life is quite interesting.

Which is the good son?

[scooter]

Response: No Tim no hate here.

For that proposition you have no one to convince but me. Put up or shut up.

Response: If I attempt to protect people from your past mistakes, does that make me hateful?

If you are here claiming you have grown, changed, or matured, great.

If you are here to flaunt an intellectual spirituality that is above Christ, I'm not rolling over.

I noticed you didn't address that part of the question.

Do you mind letting us know? Or would that reveal too much?

Are you naming the name of Christ?

If you are no longer an athiest, I apologize.

If you are some type of universalist that sees oneself beyond Christianity, that's a topic for further discussion.

[Gerald Creasy]

A person who claims to love and denies Christ is a liar and a fool.

[scooter]

What we have here is a paradox. A man who, according to the multitude of allusions by the moderator, embraces ideals or a lifestyle he detests, has demonstrated the kind of love the moderator claims to espouse but clearly doesn't. Life is quite interesting.

Which is the good son?

Response: Do you go into the store and demand that the racks from which you shop be moved to the front?

Is the store manager an unloving big ole meanie because he or she won't meet your demands?

Quit throwing your tantrum for not getting your way.

Oh never mind, I'm sure you are used to people's response to your ways and its all their fault.

[Russell Roberts]

A person who claims to love and denies Christ is a liar and a fool.

I've never once heard Tim deny that Jesus died and rose from the dead.

[Gerald Creasy]

A person who claims to love and denies Christ is a liar and a fool.

I've never once heard Tim deny that Jesus died and rose from the dead.

How long have you been around here.....?

[Russell Roberts]

Not long.

[Gerald Creasy]

Not long.

Yes, exactly.

Ask him yourself; he's so smart he's reasoned Christ away.