Ray Boltz new song "Don't Tell Me Who to Love"

[Shellie]

Does this say what I think?

I think the heat has just been taken off me.

[valley]

Does this say what I think?

I think the heat has just been taken off me.

Perhaps I should not have posted that. I'll delete it. I'm not going to debate that issue.

[Wes]

BTW, thanks Wes for the nice words...

You're so very welcome sir and a good communicator I might add. I appreciate your last post my brother.

[pastorables]

Does this say what I think?

I think the heat has just been taken off me.

Perhaps I should not have posted that. I'll delete it. I'm not going to debate that issue.

Neither will I. The Bible is the ultimate authority and is clear on the issue.

Blessings,
pa

[oletimer]

Kinda sound like more closet doors are open then Ray Boltz. There is the old saying birds of a featherSome of the remarks that I've read leaves me thinking that things aren't right.

While you may find homosexuality detestible

I do not "may" I find that anything that God finds detestible to BE DETESTIBLE. Yes I do not believe that from what I know that Hell has any degrees of heat for different sins.

dalebert Posted:

PastorP wrote:

dalebert wrote:
man i pray that none of you will be the one i stand in front of for final judgement!!

It is not material what man, the preacher or anyone else judges to be sin, it is what God has to say about it that counts and the Bible clearly speaks to us that the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination in God's eyes. Sin is still sin and always will be. Don't hate the homosexual, but don't compromise the truth this lifestyle is sinful.

I am not agreeing with that type of sin , it is an abomination
but some have seen to quickly attack a man who was at one time walking with God and instead of praying for the man we openly push him down even more! And we say we are the church?

No matter how or what we say, me you or anybody else, we can't make them up nor down. If he is in the mud, then that is where he chose to be. The Church if she is to be true to God can not welcome such open sin. Should we pray for those that are lost, yes. But to OK it would bring down the anger of God on us. Read what Christ says to the Seven Chruches in Rev. Chapter two.

[valley]

Kinda sound like more closet doors are open then Ray Boltz. There is the old saying birds of a featherSome of the remarks that I've read leaves me thinking that things aren't right.

While you may find homosexuality detestible

I do not "may" I find that anything that God finds detestible to BE DETESTIBLE. Yes I do not believe that from what I know that Hell has any degrees of heat for different sins.

That was rather subtle.

[Wes]

Sorry , i am not dodging you all, i've had some life situations than have hinder me from responding..."dont judge me?

We would never judge you sir, as long as you're not a homosexual that claims to be a Christian.

Dalebert.

This comment I made was a little over the top and uncalled for. After reading back through the thread I wish I wouldn't have been so mean. For this I sincerely apologize and ask you to forgive me.

Valley,

I hope I didn't offend you. I don't think anything I said could have been taken as offensive, but one never knows how someone takes it especially when in written communication. If I did I sincerely apologize.

You guys are my brothers and sisters and I love you all.
Peace and Merry Christmas.

[valley]

Sorry , i am not dodging you all, i've had some life situations than have hinder me from responding..."dont judge me?

We would never judge you sir, as long as you're not a homosexual that claims to be a Christian.

Dalebert.

This comment I made was a little over the top and uncalled for. After reading back through the thread I wish I wouldn't have been so mean. For this I sincerely apologize and ask you to forgive me.

Valley,

I hope I didn't offend you. I don't think anything I said could have been taken as offensive, but one never knows how someone takes it especially when in written communication. If I did I sincerely apologize.

You guys are my brothers and sisters and I love you all.
Peace and Merry Christmas.

I wasn't offended, I just didnt want to debate theology, which is where the whole thing was heading. My whole post was admiring the honesty of Ray Boltz. I personally didnt like the song, not my style. (More of a Third Day person myself)

[Wes]

My whole post was admiring the honesty of Ray Boltz.

I understand your position and I'm sorry for making a big deal out of it.

[bibleguy]

I find it difficult to admire his honesty for being homosexual when he has traded the truth of God's word for a lie. I wouldn't call that honesty. Maybe, delusional is a better word.

Do you believe that people that practice homosexuality were born homo or choose that lifestyle? I think we all have choices in life, we either choose light or darkness.

Valley,

I hope I didn't offend you. I don't think anything I said could have been taken as offensive, but one never knows how someone takes it especially when in written communication. If I did I sincerely apologize.

“For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret” (Ephesians 5:8-12).

“When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul; Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee: To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things; Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness; Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked; Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths: ... That thou mayest walk in the way of good men, and keep the paths of the righteous. For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it” (Proverbs 2:10-22).

“Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them” (Romans 1:24-32).

“Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?” (Galatians 4:16).

“We ought to obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29).

“Then Jesus answering said unto them, ...blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.” (Luke 7:22-23).

[dalebert]

You are the one that is judging. I do pray for Ray. Why don't you give me the benefit of the doubt like you do Ray. He is the one that has traded the truth for a lie, yet you would prefer to stand with him. I'll stand with my brothers that love the lord and serve him with their actions as well as their words. Sounds to me like you need to mature a little. I recommend that you be mentored by a strong brother in the faith.

You accuse me for not praying for him yet you don't even know me. You don't ride around with me in my truck while I pray. You don't hear the words that I speak to the father. Shame on you, sir.

You are the one that is judging. I do pray for Ray. Why don't you give me the benefit of the doubt like you do Ray. He is the one that has traded the truth for a lie, yet you would prefer to stand with him

First of all , i am not judging you, why do you think i am judging you? I am disgreeing with how you have publicly pointed you fingrer at a man, who at the time of his mininstry had good fruits in his songs/song writing and now has fallen from that calling and accepted a life style that is sinful and unbecoming of God! If we are the body that we say we are, then why do we harshly speak agianst the people that live in their sin openly than rather speak against the sin itself? No i dont agree with the fact that Ray Boltz or anyone else for that matter lives that typle of live style! But the bible says this:

Ephesians 6:12 (New King James Version)
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Its not about Ray Boltz my friend....its about the SIN he lives in!! The way you came across in your first post is what stood me back!


He is the one that has traded the truth for a lie, yet you would prefer to stand with him.

I stand with him cause he is a brother that has fallen to the ememy...the bible teaches me to fight for each other....not kick each other while we are down! Traded? Well i guess you can call it that...

I'll stand with my brothers that love the lord and serve him with their actions as well as their words

I will stand will stand with you....


Sounds to me like you need to mature a little. I recommend that you be mentored by a strong brother in the faith.

Not really sure what you mean by this.......speak to me...what did you mean by this?

[paul]

“Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them” (Romans 1:24-32).

[dalebert]

Dalebert.

This comment I made was a little over the top and uncalled for. After reading back through the thread I wish I wouldn't have been so mean. For this I sincerely apologize and ask you to forgive me.

no offence to me.....i accept your apology

[dalebert]

Kinda sound like more closet doors are open then Ray Boltz. There is the old saying birds of a featherSome of the remarks that I've read leaves me thinking that things aren't right.

While you may find homosexuality detestible

I do not "may" I find that anything that God finds detestible to BE DETESTIBLE. Yes I do not believe that from what I know that Hell has any degrees of heat for different sins.

dalebert Posted:

PastorP wrote:

dalebert wrote:
man i pray that none of you will be the one i stand in front of for final judgement!!

It is not material what man, the preacher or anyone else judges to be sin, it is what God has to say about it that counts and the Bible clearly speaks to us that the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination in God's eyes. Sin is still sin and always will be. Don't hate the homosexual, but don't compromise the truth this lifestyle is sinful.

I am not agreeing with that type of sin , it is an abomination
but some have seen to quickly attack a man who was at one time walking with God and instead of praying for the man we openly push him down even more! And we say we are the church?

No matter how or what we say, me you or anybody else, we can't make them up nor down. If he is in the mud, then that is where he chose to be. The Church if she is to be true to God can not welcome such open sin. Should we pray for those that are lost, yes. But to OK it would bring down the anger of God on us. Read what Christ says to the Seven Chruches in Rev. Chapter two.

The Church if she is to be true to God can not welcome such open sin.

My question to u OLD is : on sunday morings do "sinners" come into your church services?

Somewhere before those "sinners" can get saved...they just might be sitting next to you in your pew.....and guess what? They are living in open sin untill they make a decision to met Christ!

Kinda sound like more closet doors are open then Ray Boltz. There is the old saying birds of a featherSome of the remarks that I've read leaves me thinking that things aren't right.

Not sure what you mean by this.....can you help me to understand?

[dalebert]

“Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them” (Romans 1:24-32).

ok Paul.....great word.....Ray will reap his judgement as long as he lives this life style.....but my prayers for the man is that he will SOON know that Gods word is real and sure to judge and that he will RUN back to the arms of the Christ.....