Oprah's False Teachers

[paul]

Then that would lead me to another question.
Would Oprah or anyone else ever change their way of thinking or beliefs?
I think some are deceived to the point of no return to the truth.

2 Thessalonians 2:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Is that our call? WHo can know the heart of man, it is wicked at best.

But there is a time for us to shake the dust off of own shoes and move on, right? Not to say that this is the case for Oprah, for I don't know her personally.

I wonder if shaking the dust from my feet and not returning to an area that refused the gospel I preached is the same as not praying for them. In my mission work there are places I don't know if I would ever return because of the hardness of the people, but I know, for me, I will never stop praying for them.

BTW beckrl; I enjoy sharing with you because I know we are looking for answers and it is not a tit for tat thing....be blessed

[beckrl]

Then that would lead me to another question.
Would Oprah or anyone else ever change their way of thinking or beliefs?
I think some are deceived to the point of no return to the truth.

2 Thessalonians 2:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Is that our call? WHo can know the heart of man, it is wicked at best.

But there is a time for us to shake the dust off of own shoes and move on, right? Not to say that this is the case for Oprah, for I don't know her personally.

I wonder if shaking the dust from my feet and not returning to an area that refused the gospel I preached is the same as not praying for them. In my mission work there are places I don't know if I would ever return because of the hardness of the people, but I know, for me, I will never stop praying for them.

BTW beckrl; I enjoy sharing with you because I know we are looking for answers and it is not a tit for tat thing....be blessed

Right, When I was a child, I spake as a child,
I understood as a child, I thought as a child:
but when I became a man, I put away
childish things. For now we see through a
glass, darkly; but then face to face: now
I know in part; but then shall I know even
as also I am known.

[bibleguy]

bibleguy
OK. My question. Is there ever a occassion to stop praying for someone's salvation, and pray (as David - a man after God's heart) for God to remove the enemies of His people?
Oprah reminds me of Jezebel. Jezebel was a queen over God's chosen people of Israel, but she taught them heresies, idolatry and immorality. Jehu prayed for her demise. Is there ever a place for us to call on God like that today?

Why would you ever want to, not, pray for her. Pray that the airwaves drop her program. Pray that people who watch her program, read her magazine, that their eyes would be opened. But why would we want to stop praying and believing for HER or anyone we think is an abomination?

I'm not asking about what we would or would not want to do. I'm asking about what we should or should not do. What is biblically right. Even the above answer shows that the very concept is anathema to today's touchy-feely Christianity. In modern society, you would be ridiculed and judged for disowning a child who's lifestyle is sinful and shameful. The churches are hesitant to disfellowship openly sinful members. We pride ourselves on our "love" and "tolerance" much like the Corinthians (for which they were rebuked by Paul in 1 Corinthians 5).

It's not that I delight in the destruction of the wicked, I just wonder if the "let's get them saved at all costs" mentality is scripturally accurate and should extend to all.

In considering this, I found the following passage:

“And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.” (1 John 5:14-17).

While this is apparently quite specific, it does indicate at least some conditions when prayer time is better spent on other matters. That definitely doesn't get much pulpit time. In fact, what condition is he even talking about? Dare we even to investigate it? Or do we just disregard the notion and try to love everyone into heaven?

-or-

“A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.” (Titus 3:10-11).

Yet, Jesus said to pray for them that despitefully use you and persecute you.

The result seems to be a both/and approach, seeing that all scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable.

[paul]

bibleguy
OK. My question. Is there ever a occassion to stop praying for someone's salvation, and pray (as David - a man after God's heart) for God to remove the enemies of His people?
Oprah reminds me of Jezebel. Jezebel was a queen over God's chosen people of Israel, but she taught them heresies, idolatry and immorality. Jehu prayed for her demise. Is there ever a place for us to call on God like that today?

Why would you ever want to, not, pray for her. Pray that the airwaves drop her program. Pray that people who watch her program, read her magazine, that their eyes would be opened. But why would we want to stop praying and believing for HER or anyone we think is an abomination?

I'm not asking about what we would or would not want to do. I'm asking about what we should or should not do. What is biblically right. Even the above answer shows that the very concept is anathema to today's touchy-feely Christianity. In modern society, you would be ridiculed and judged for disowning a child who's lifestyle is sinful and shameful. The churches are hesitant to disfellowship openly sinful members. We pride ourselves on our "love" and "tolerance" much like the Corinthians (for which they were rebuked by Paul in 1 Corinthians 5).

It's not that I delight in the destruction of the wicked, I just wonder if the "let's get them saved at all costs" mentality is scripturally accurate and should extend to all.

In considering this, I found the following passage:

“And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.” (1 John 5:14-17).

While this is apparently quite specific, it does indicate at least some conditions when prayer time is better spent on other matters. That definitely doesn't get much pulpit time. In fact, what condition is he even talking about? Dare we even to investigate it? Or do we just disregard the notion and try to love everyone into heaven?

-or-

“A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.” (Titus 3:10-11).

Yet, Jesus said to pray for them that despitefully use you and persecute you.

The result seems to be a both/and approach, seeing that all scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable.

For me, I did answer your question. That is what I feel is the biblical approach. I may dust my feet according to the scriptures, but It is Gods' will that none should perish, but all come to everlasting life.

Your quote of 1 Cor 5 would entail a totally different thread. I believe it is one of the most mis understood verses that paul spoke. While he wanted the person removed and he made the judgement. Pauls understanding that the local church was so indwelt with the power and manifestation of the Spirit, that the man would feel so lost apart from the brethern he would repent and ultimately desire to return and thus his soul be saved. I personally believe the lack of understanding of the corporate body as Paul saw it, leads us to many mis understandings of his writings.

I would refer you to the Author, Gordon Fee's, " The Empowering Presence" (The Holy Spirit in the Letters of Paul) Fee is noted as one of the most renowned Theologians (Assembly of God) in the country and around the world.

I personally believe that we must never stop praying for a person who has been deceived. That is my Final Answer

[bibleguy]

I wonder if shaking the dust from my feet and not returning to an area that refused the gospel I preached is the same as not praying for them. In my mission work there are places I don't know if I would ever return because of the hardness of the people, but I know, for me, I will never stop praying for them.

BTW beckrl; I enjoy sharing with you because I know we are looking for answers and it is not a tit for tat thing....be blessed

I, too, am trying to find the answers. I'm not pushing an agenda here, nor am I speaking about Oprah in particular. I just see a dichotomy here, and knowing that the scriptures are in perfect harmony with themselves, I sense that our focus is overly one-sided.

When I read that God turns certain people over to a reprobate mind, I wonder what that means for my relationship to such. Of course, I am not on any daily RSS feed informing me of who He's counted as reprobate, but it is likely that they will be known by their fruits.

Still, so many backslidden have returned and attributed their restoration, at least in part, to a "praying grandmother."

So I am honestly seeking the biblical answer, and the Lord's way in this matter...