Happy Martin Luther King Day!

[crispfin]

I am very happy that we celebrate Dr. King's legacy, and am looking forward to tomorrow.

[KBevangelist]

I think Dr. King was a great leader and I celebrate his accomplishments. However, I think he would be appalled at the behavior of race hucksters such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

I agree!!!

KB

[Tim Elston]

But when the black man elected is a liberal, humanistic, universalistic religious, socialistic leaning condoner of murder, subjugation of the poor, defender of the perveted and immoral, then NO, a thousand times NO, this is not a day for celebration of the election and forthcoming inauguration of Barack Obama. This is a time for mourning, for weeping, and for repentance.

Is it a day of celebration when the man leaving the office is a foul-mouthed pseudo-conservative who hypocritically calls himself a Christian while holding innocent men in prison without legal representation, who tortures as a matter of policy, who doubles the national debt, who eavesdrops on the privacy of Americans, who forges ahead with a war that kills 100,000 people on the basis of false evidence, and who endorses a vice presidential nominee who oversees a bona fide socialist program called the Alaska Permanent Fund?

[Gerald Creasy]

The lies Tim believes: There is no God. Men in tutus need love. Bush is evil.

But hey! Lets trade it all for the thought police!!

Criticism of Obama Not Tolerated!!!!!!!!!!!

[dolfan]

It is hard for me to paint Obama with a broad brush on the "Is he a Christian" question, which Poimen raises without asking it. Yeah, Poimen, I'm with you about the policies being bad for America. I'm not sure that means he's not the Christian he believes himself to be and says he is. I'm not giving him a pass on anything, and he doesn't deserve one. But, I'm hard pressed to call him anti-Christian (and, therefore, anti-Christ). If the matter is, taking him and him alone and his policies, and asking the question about Obama, "Is this going to materially help the cause of Christ and Christians as believers?", well, we'd do good to ask ourselves first what are causes are and should be, I suppose, before we can honestly answer the question of him. Giving us the benefit of that doubt here, I'd still be without a good, clear answer on the question about him.
But, without isolating him and his policies, and looking to the way we treat our own with regard to that same question, we sure are more forgiving and forgetting. We're willing to swallow a whole host of camels from the right. I don't know how much time we'll spend straining at their gnats, but we've already condemned their camels!!! That just doesn't seem right to me anymore.

Luckily for us both, we don't have to do either one. We can take this for what it is. It is a peaceful transfer of power from one ideal of America to another, without bloodshed, through the rule of law. That, we can celebrate. We can celebrate that a man of African descent has won this election in a majority white nation when only 20 years ago people joked about Jesse Jackson. Even Eddie Murphy had a big part of his standup routine about Jackson actually winning. It was a joke to everyone but him. That move, that peaceful move in a nation that is decreasingly WASP, is a testament to the fortitude of our constitutional, federal system and of our forefathers' vision for our republic. Yes, we can celebrate that, and we can celebrate the good ways in which the prophetic voice of MLK, Jr. spoke to his generation so that we might see this day in this one. That, we can celebrate.

Is there plenty of corruption and evil also? Yes. But, we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. As we, to borrow from your own tag, Poimen, celebrate and scruitinize, we find the praiseworthy and we praise for it. There's plenty of reason and plenty of occasion for righteous indignation. That doesn't diminish why tomorrow is a good and important day, even if it is fraught with risk and loss for our nation and our liberty.

[Tim Elston]

Criticism of Obama Not Tolerated!!!!!!!!!!!

Since I'm not a liberal, I don't believe that minors should have the right to free speech. I'm not altogether opposed to requiring minors in public schools not to use derogatory language toward Bush or Obama during the inauguration.

As far as lies go, what part of what I said about what Bush has done is a lie? And is everything that Poimen says about Obama the truth?

[Poimen]

It is hard for me to paint Obama with a broad brush on the "Is he a Christian" question, which Poimen raises without asking it. Yeah, Poimen, I'm with you about the policies being bad for America. I'm not sure that means he's not the Christian he believes himself to be and says he is.

I understand, and had extended the same grace as yourself until yesterday.

What changed? I learned of his having an avid supporter and himself openly homosexual so called "Christian" Epsicopal priest to give public prayer. That is consent to the apostate's claim to faith in Christ, and makes President Elect Obama part of this man's spirutal bankruptcy and deception.

I decried similar when President Bush had non-Christians and Christians both pray during post 9/11 services. But this is a step beyond recognition of other religions in America. This is endorsement of an anti-Christian/pro-homosexual claim ot Christianity. That is to side with apostates and is tantamount to a denial of the faith.

So, no, I cannot accept Obama's profession of faith.

[dolfan]

That's up to you, and I don't like it, either --- at all. I guess I just have a hard time making a distinction between allowing that prayer and allowing a Muslim prayer as far as being part of a deception and spiritual bankruptcy and all that. I can see one difference, that the Muslim isn't claiming any relationship to Jesus and the homosexual cleric is.

I'll need to chew on that one.

[Jennifer Smith]

I'm thankful for what Martin Luther King Jr. was able to accomplish and hope everyone enjoys the holiday! I'm enjoying being home with my children today.

[dolfan]

Poimen, does Obama's having Warren pray at his inauguration not also make him an accomplice in a pro-Christian demonstration siding with the faithful????

So, if we score him Apostasy 1, Fidelity 1, does the tie then go to the runner (pardon the pun)?

[DaJudge]

Is it a day of celebration when the man leaving the office is a foul-mouthed pseudo-conservative who hypocritically calls himself a Christian while holding innocent men in prison without legal representation, who tortures as a matter of policy, who doubles the national debt, who eavesdrops on the privacy of Americans, who forges ahead with a war that kills 100,000 people on the basis of false evidence, and who endorses a vice presidential nominee who oversees a bona fide socialist program called the Alaska Permanent Fund?

While I agree with you that Bush bears a his fair share of the blame for the financial mess we are in, you are dead wrong about the rest of it.

Let me put this hypothetical to you Elston. Let's say you had somehow convinced a woman to marry you. Let's say then figured how to impregnate her, despite your lack of manly vigor. Let's further say that your hypothetical wife bore you a child.

Now, let's further say that someone kidnapped that child. Then, this person sends you a message that he will kill that child within 24 hours. Let's also say that you have captured the kidnapper's partner. The partner knows where your child is being held, but won't tell you.

Would you hold that kidnapper against his will and without legal representation?

Would you eavesdrop on a conversation between him and someone else without his consent to find out where your child was?

Would you "torture" him to get your child's location out of him?

Let me say right now that any parent worthy of the name would do all of the above. Any President worthy of the name would do the same to protect us against foreign enemies.

Degrade Bush for that if you want, but history will judge him kindly for his leadership in these dark days.

[Tim Elston]

despite your lack of manly vigor.

You expect me to read further?

[DaJudge]

despite your lack of manly vigor.

You expect me to read further?

And you prove my point.

[Jennifer Smith]

Is it a day of celebration when the man leaving the office is a foul-mouthed pseudo-conservative who hypocritically calls himself a Christian while holding innocent men in prison without legal representation, who tortures as a matter of policy, who doubles the national debt, who eavesdrops on the privacy of Americans, who forges ahead with a war that kills 100,000 people on the basis of false evidence, and who endorses a vice presidential nominee who oversees a bona fide socialist program called the Alaska Permanent Fund?

While I agree with you that Bush bears a his fair share of the blame for the financial mess we are in, you are dead wrong about the rest of it.

Let me put this hypothetical to you Elston. Let's say you had somehow convinced a woman to marry you. Let's say then figured how to impregnate her, despite your lack of manly vigor. Let's further say that your hypothetical wife bore you a child.

Now, let's further say that someone kidnapped that child. Then, this person sends you a message that he will kill that child within 24 hours. Let's also say that you have captured the kidnapper's partner. The partner knows where your child is being held, but won't tell you.

Would you hold that kidnapper against his will and without legal representation?

Would you eavesdrop on a conversation between him and someone else without his consent to find out where your child was?

Would you "torture" him to get your child's location out of him?

Let me say right now that any parent worthy of the name would do all of the above. Any President worthy of the name would do the same to protect us against foreign enemies.

Degrade Bush for that if you want, but history will judge him kindly for his leadership in these dark days.

Hmm, I don't think I agree with your line of reasoning here. The fact that our nation has resorted to torture reflects badly on us. It is a disgrace.

[Tim Elston]

despite your lack of manly vigor.

You expect me to read further?

And you prove my point.

What is your name and where do you live? My name is Tim Elston, and I live at 8318 Gladstone Street, Juneau, Alaska.