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Pastor Rob wrote:The benediction prayer by Joseph Lowery was quite offensive to me. "and when white will embrace what is right." Can you imagine if a white man had prayed that prayer that when all black will embrace what is right? And there has not been a word said about it.
Tim Elston wrote:Pastor Rob wrote:The benediction prayer by Joseph Lowery was quite offensive to me. "and when white will embrace what is right." Can you imagine if a white man had prayed that prayer that when all black will embrace what is right? And there has not been a word said about it.
I wonder what he meant by it. Maybe a letter to him asking would be appropriate. Even though it's offensive, there may be something to learn there, at least of his perspective, and whether there is anything bridging to be done.
Tim Elston wrote:Tim Elston wrote:Pastor Rob wrote:The benediction prayer by Joseph Lowery was quite offensive to me. "and when white will embrace what is right." Can you imagine if a white man had prayed that prayer that when all black will embrace what is right? And there has not been a word said about it.
I wonder what he meant by it. Maybe a letter to him asking would be appropriate. Even though it's offensive, there may be something to learn there, at least of his perspective, and whether there is anything bridging to be done.
Rob, I just wanted to clarify my rushed, fleeting thought from this morning. I hope it didn't sound like I was being critical. I didn't mean to be. When I read your statement I remembered watching a program or two over the years of peoples who didn't understand each other getting together and listening to each other: blacks and whites, Palestinians and Israelis, non-Arab Americans and Arab Americans. The shows made it look like there was something positive to be gained. I even went to an interreligious meeting once that had Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Zoroastrians, and who knows what else. I was terribly uncomfortable with it, but I have to admit that I gained perspective from the discussion and, in hindsight, am glad I went. (The ethnic food was good, too!)
Anyway, I have not watched any coverage of the inauguration, but on the way home last night I caught soundbites of Warren's and the guy you quoted's prayers on the radio. The soundbite did not contain the part you quoted, but I remember thinking at the time that the guy sounded like he considered himself to be sincerely praying to God. He sounded like he considered himself to have a genuine and close relationship with God. I don't know if the whole prayer sounded that way, or not, but the part I heard sounded that way.
So when I read your comment this morning about the offensiveness of that line, which I take to be legitimately offensive, I thought that I know you are a fine man (for other's sake, I should mention that you and I went to TC together and I know your good character) with, what, twenty years of pastoral experience or more, and maybe this is that sort of opportunity for clergymen of different ethnic perspectives that harbor hurt and offense toward each other, whether just one way or both ways, depending on how each defines the problem, to sit down and talk to each other. Maybe this is one of those moments in history where the sides have cause to sit down and hear each other and move past the traditional grudges. I don't know. It was just a fleeting thought, really, but I wanted to clarify what I meant and that I did not mean my comment critically toward you.
Pastor Rob wrote:For the record, I have a very dear African-American pastor friend, whom I had lunch with yesterday and expressed my thoughts to him. He understood where I was coming from and made the statement, he had never looked at it like that before. It was quite a good conversation to say the least.
Pastor Rob wrote:The benediction prayer by Joseph Lowery was quite offensive to me. "and when white will embrace what is right." Can you imagine if a white man had prayed that prayer that when all black will embrace what is right? And there has not been a word said about it.
soulsearcher wrote:Pastor Rob wrote:The benediction prayer by Joseph Lowery was quite offensive to me. "and when white will embrace what is right." Can you imagine if a white man had prayed that prayer that when all black will embrace what is right? And there has not been a word said about it.
Pastor Rob, I, too, was offended. It was like a slap in the face.
I had already heard one commentator quote a government official as saying, "It's over for the whites."
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