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At what Point?

Postby Paully_44 » January 26th, 2009, 8:27 am

Micro$oft laying off 5K
HomeDepot laying off 7K
Starbucks laying off 1K
AT&T laying off 15K
Sprint laying off 8k

and the list just keeps growing.

my question is, at what point does this Recession turn into a Depression or does it?
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Postby rjjunior » January 26th, 2009, 8:40 am

A recession is when your neighbor loses his job.

A depression is when you lose your job.

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Postby MacUser » January 26th, 2009, 8:43 am

We are not in a depression by a long shot (yet). Only certain areas are undergoing a correction.. either by market or by Government incentives.

If we were in a depression.. you would not see this headline.

U.S. Existing Home Sales Rise on Record Price Slump
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... =worldwide

Single-Family Homes. Resales of single-family homes increased 7 percent to an annual rate of 4.26 million. Sales of condos and co-ops rose 2.1 percent to a 480,000 rate.


McDonald's posts sizzling 80% profit rise
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1


ALso some jobs are literally BOOMING.. See this.
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Postby Paully_44 » January 26th, 2009, 8:59 am

rjjunior wrote:A recession is when your neighbor loses his job.

A depression is when you lose your job.


Ok, that is good. you are still da'man. Now I know why you are the Boys Dean at camp.
Let the wild rumpus start!

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Re: At what Point?

Postby paul » January 26th, 2009, 9:56 am

Paully_44 wrote:Micro$oft laying off 5K
HomeDepot laying off 7K
Starbucks laying off 1K
AT&T laying off 15K
Sprint laying off 8k

and the list just keeps growing.

my question is, at what point does this Recession turn into a Depression or does it?


Take a close look at the History channel and some of the presentations. We are in a world of hurt but far from what was seen over all in the great depression.

But rjjunior does have a good point
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Re: At what Point?

Postby JohnDB » January 26th, 2009, 12:02 pm

paul wrote:
Paully_44 wrote:Micro$oft laying off 5K
HomeDepot laying off 7K
Starbucks laying off 1K
AT&T laying off 15K
Sprint laying off 8k

and the list just keeps growing.

my question is, at what point does this Recession turn into a Depression or does it?


Take a close look at the History channel and some of the presentations. We are in a world of hurt but far from what was seen over all in the great depression.

But rjjunior does have a good point


I think that today's events in Iceland...or was it Greenland... would rise to a hostoric event.

Their whole country is in chaos. The government is in shambles and is now defunct.
The banking system is also defunct.
The only thing there working is "Might making right"
That whole country is in complete chaos.

And we are whining due to 8% unemployment.
I want to die like Grandpa, quietly and in his sleep; not like the passengers in his car, they were all panicking and screaming.

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Postby dolfan » January 26th, 2009, 12:25 pm

JohnDB wrote:
And we are whining due to 8% unemployment


Paul Thorn says,

"I'm still here. I made it through another day.
I'm still here. That's more than some can say.
When I get down, I don't shed a tear.
I say, 'Glory hallelujah, thank you Jesus, praise the Lord, I'm still here'."


:lol:
Human government bears the same relation to hell as the church bears to heaven. (David Lipscomb, On Civil Government, 72).

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Postby Jennifer Smith » January 26th, 2009, 12:52 pm

My son lost his job... :cry: :oops: Or, at least he is laid off for now. It is

his first job, he is only 17! :)
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for which Christ took hold of me.
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Postby JohnDB » January 26th, 2009, 12:57 pm

It would take me some several days to try and put together and remeber the number of times I have been laid off from a job...or fired...or simply quit since that first one at age 15.

LOL...

I got laid off week before last (15th)
laid about all of last week
Tomorrow I have to report to work. 27th
Making more than I did at my last job...go figure.

It is a crazy world.
With one incredible God.
I want to die like Grandpa, quietly and in his sleep; not like the passengers in his car, they were all panicking and screaming.

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Postby Tim Elston » January 26th, 2009, 6:52 pm

JohnDB wrote:It would take me some several days to try and put together and remeber the number of times I have been laid off from a job...or fired...or simply quit since that first one at age 15.


Now that I have a good job I have nightmares about quitting it and afterwards thinking how stupid it was to quit, then getting hired to it again, and forgetting not to quit again. Wierd. It's like the old nightmares I used to have about signing up for a college class and forgetting to attend it until the final exam. That was always a Greek class.

The only time I've ever been "let go" is when I stepped between my supervisor and an Iranian Baha'i refugee who was being verbally abused. I told him, "You are not going to talk to him like that as long as I am working here." I wasn't working there for very much longer. The Iranian refugee quit after he saw that I was fired for standing up for him, and he came to live with me for a few months since he no longer had a job. I drove him to Vancouver, B.C., where he was going to try again, and I never saw him again.

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Re: At what Point?

Postby pastorables » January 26th, 2009, 7:14 pm

Paully_44 wrote:Micro$oft laying off 5K
HomeDepot laying off 7K
Starbucks laying off 1K
AT&T laying off 15K
Sprint laying off 8k



Our region is not far from depression. I just found out this weekend that both Goody's and Toys R Us are closing down in our area. :(

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Postby Tim Elston » January 26th, 2009, 8:42 pm

Paully_44 wrote:Micro$oft laying off 5K


Palin announced a hiring freeze right when Micro$oft did its layoff. My supervisor would like to hire some of those Micro$oft programmers. Alaska has had a hard time recruiting technical staff. I told my supervisor to petition for an exception.

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Re: At what Point?

Postby pastorables » January 27th, 2009, 2:25 am

Tim Elston wrote:
Paully_44 wrote:Micro$oft laying off 5K


Palin announced a hiring freeze right when Micro$oft did its layoff.


Why is the purpose of a hiring freeze?

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Postby Jennifer Smith » January 27th, 2009, 3:06 am

JohnDB wrote:It would take me some several days to try and put together and remeber the number of times I have been laid off from a job...or fired...or simply quit since that first one at age 15.

LOL...

I got laid off week before last (15th)
laid about all of last week
Tomorrow I have to report to work. 27th
Making more than I did at my last job...go figure.

It is a crazy world.
With one incredible God.


You are so right...I felt a little badly for my son, but I also saw God's hand at work. He was making "a lot" of money with tips... but he also needs a chance to be a "child" for a little longer and when I was driving him to work on Thursday and the sun was shining, he wanted to go outside and play basketball so badly I could tell it hurt him to go to work! :) I told him if you have all the money in the world but are not able to enjoy it- (a biblical principle) what good does it do? So he is really okay.
..I press on to take hold of that

for which Christ took hold of me.

-Phil 3:12

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Re: At what Point?

Postby RamboPreacher » January 27th, 2009, 3:13 am

Paully_44 wrote:...
my question is, at what point does this Recession turn into a Depression or does it?
essentially a depression is a long (and "more severe") recession. There really isn't any real definition. it's kind of like "religion". what does it mean to you?.

As I recall from my old university Econ. II classes, a depression is 3 or more years long, and a decline in the GDP by a certain percentage (arguable). it is difficult to say that the country is in a depression, when there are area's that don't even feel it as a recession.

trends are going that way, but we really have a long way to go, in my opinion. America has been through several depressions. in modernity, with a more global economy (whatever you want to make of that), it is more difficult to have an actual, lengthy depression.

hope that helps.
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