Are The Good Times Really Over? Or, as he finished his song, "The good times ain't over for good."
I wonder. And, this is not just me being all doom and gloom, although I know I tend to do that. Seriously, can anyone point to anything that suggests that America's national future is remotely similar in quality or character as its past? If so, then please also explain how it is that we can pursue happiness while losing property rights? How can we pursue liberty while losing property? The government ---- the one democratically chosen by us ---- is ending America as we all grew up knowing it. Is there any national hope? Is this the end of the line for the America we love??
Was Haggard right?? (Merle, not Ted)
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dolfan
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Was Haggard right?? (Merle, not Ted)
Human government bears the same relation to hell as the church bears to heaven. (David Lipscomb, On Civil Government, 72).
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Gerald Creasy
I was watching something that compared todays stats with 1982.
Our unemployment is several points lower (it was in the double digits then) and inflation was much higher.
In fact if we had THESE times then, it we would have felt pretty good.
Governmentally however I think we are on the road to absolute chaos.
Our unemployment is several points lower (it was in the double digits then) and inflation was much higher.
In fact if we had THESE times then, it we would have felt pretty good.
Governmentally however I think we are on the road to absolute chaos.
Gerald Creasy wrote:I was watching something that compared todays stats with 1982.
Our unemployment is several points lower (it was in the double digits then) and inflation was much higher.
In fact if we had THESE times then, it we would have felt pretty good.
Governmentally however I think we are on the road to absolute chaos.
The problem is, in 82 we had Reagan, and we were ready to pull out of the recession thanks to his tax cuts. Obama is another Carter. He's going to pile on the tax increases which is going to further the recession. Look at how the stock market went down as soon as he signed the "stimulus" (welfare) bill. He' s going to turn a recession into a depression.
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Gerald Creasy
DaJudge wrote:The problem is, in 82 we had Reagan, and we were ready to pull out of the recession thanks to his tax cuts. Obama is another Carter. He's going to pile on the tax increases which is going to further the recession. Look at how the stock market went down as soon as he signed the "stimulus" (welfare) bill. He' s going to turn a recession into a depression.
That is why I wrote:
Governmentally however I think we are on the road to absolute chaos.
DaJudge wrote:in 82 we had Reagan, and we were ready to pull out of the recession thanks to his tax cuts.
So well said. Not to mention with unparalleled proud to be American.. shinning city on the hill... optimism and amazing strength of character.
Today. America and what she stands for is the "problem" unlike the amazing unparalleled unique experiment she really is.
MacUser wrote:So well said. Not to mention with unparalleled proud to be American.. shinning city on the hill... optimism and amazing strength of character.
Exactly. Compare that to Obama daily telling us how screwed we all are. Where did the "hope" go from his campaign? I guess governing is harder than campaigning.
Reagan reminded us how great our country was. Obama tells us we should be more like France and Sweden.
I am concerned that is for sure. Im also looking at how Russia sent hundreds of thousands of troops to Afghan and was at the time just about Bankrupt, could we fall as they did? I really wonder if they realize what they have done. Pelosi just had every entitlement thrown in that package , I cant understand how they can do that and not see how it is hurting us....... They talked about Bush spending but he just spent more in months then Bush did in years...
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At the core of my being, I am convinced of two things:
1. No politician now in office in Washington, D.C., nor any that aspires to be there, has what is in the nation's best interest at heart. Every politician, without exception, has in his or her radar only those things that preserve the power of office and the benefits of power bestowed on himself or those whom he or she owes fealty. There simply is no higher purpose to their work. There are higher means to their ends, perhaps. That is to say that certain ways of accomplishing their selfish goals may include benefits to the average citizen, and on the rare occasion those benefits may actually promote life, liberty and the pursuit of property. But, otherwise, those foundational principles of our nation are ignored, hated and opposed by these selfsame people.
2. We don't care enough about #1 to actually do anything about it. We care, we just don't care enough to take action. The examples of this are manifold. We don't vote out our own congressman, for example, because he's/she's really not all that bad; or, if we do consider a change, the people running in the opposing party campaign on and govern on the same principles that work against us in promoting life, liberty, property rights, etc. It is crystal clear to all by now, or should be, that the ballot box is no longer powerful enough to dislodge those who hate the republic and federalism, disdain the Framers' vision in the constitution, or who generally reject the notion of limited government. By the same token, all other means of "regime change" are deemed by most of us as too taboo, unacceptable or even (dare I say) evil. We do not live by the motto, "Live free or die." Most of us, instead, will redefine what it means to be free so that we do not have to think of dying --- either really or in some lesser sacrifice. Personally, when it comes to tyranny, I don't think there's any substitute for blood, no remedy within reach except total rejection and revolution. The full phrase from which the motto comes states, "Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils."
Is it? I'm asking you seriously. Which is more evil --- tyranny and acquiescence, or revolution and death for the sake of freedom? This is a moral and biblical dilemma. Or, do you not believe that we are at a tipping point that merits the discussion?
1. No politician now in office in Washington, D.C., nor any that aspires to be there, has what is in the nation's best interest at heart. Every politician, without exception, has in his or her radar only those things that preserve the power of office and the benefits of power bestowed on himself or those whom he or she owes fealty. There simply is no higher purpose to their work. There are higher means to their ends, perhaps. That is to say that certain ways of accomplishing their selfish goals may include benefits to the average citizen, and on the rare occasion those benefits may actually promote life, liberty and the pursuit of property. But, otherwise, those foundational principles of our nation are ignored, hated and opposed by these selfsame people.
2. We don't care enough about #1 to actually do anything about it. We care, we just don't care enough to take action. The examples of this are manifold. We don't vote out our own congressman, for example, because he's/she's really not all that bad; or, if we do consider a change, the people running in the opposing party campaign on and govern on the same principles that work against us in promoting life, liberty, property rights, etc. It is crystal clear to all by now, or should be, that the ballot box is no longer powerful enough to dislodge those who hate the republic and federalism, disdain the Framers' vision in the constitution, or who generally reject the notion of limited government. By the same token, all other means of "regime change" are deemed by most of us as too taboo, unacceptable or even (dare I say) evil. We do not live by the motto, "Live free or die." Most of us, instead, will redefine what it means to be free so that we do not have to think of dying --- either really or in some lesser sacrifice. Personally, when it comes to tyranny, I don't think there's any substitute for blood, no remedy within reach except total rejection and revolution. The full phrase from which the motto comes states, "Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils."
Is it? I'm asking you seriously. Which is more evil --- tyranny and acquiescence, or revolution and death for the sake of freedom? This is a moral and biblical dilemma. Or, do you not believe that we are at a tipping point that merits the discussion?
Human government bears the same relation to hell as the church bears to heaven. (David Lipscomb, On Civil Government, 72).
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Tim Elston
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Tim, I think you are generally right, both about our politicians and about us. Was it Benjamin Franklin or someone else who said, Democracy is the only system in which people get the leadership they deserve. I am perhaps a little more willing to say that there may be a few politicians that aren't in it for themselves. But by and large public service has become a career step and opportunity for money connections. America is a plutocracy much more than a democracy.
To be honest with myself, in answer to your critique, I have to say that my lack of action is due to two things: (1) I believe that we are beyond the point of return, and (2) I am focused on how to leverage my personal property against the ravages to come.
Taking (1) and (2) together, I expect the denoument of America to be its demise, whether gradual or catastrophic, and I do not believe that there is any hope of it being reversed, reformed, or revolutionized. Our nation is not really a nation any more; it is a turnip that the plutocracy bleeds without a view to anything but plutocratic, short-term self-interest. Short of a military coup against the Executive and Congress, which is so unlikely as to be impossible, the plutocracy will drive America into the ground. There is no other possible outcome than this, since the monetary system, which is de facto the ruling constitution, demands ever increasing debt to sustain solvency. Hocking ever more years of America's future to the plutocracy's take in the present, spells inevitable collapse. America itself is a bubble that will burst, expanding under the pressure of those self-serving plutocrats, both elected and hired, who are blowing it up beyond its tensile strength to squeeze from it their spoils.
I care, but I have no hope that Americans are aware or want to be aware, as evidenced by how they fall prey to the manipulations of partisanship, as though one party or the other, or one president or the other, is the cause of demise. Our problems are more fundamental than the foibles of one party or the other, but the plutocracy plays us as though they were, because to distract us with dueling fiddles has proven effective. To make us think that the grand battle is between Democrats and Republicans, while in fact it is between the non-partisan plutocracy and the increasingly squeezed turnip. But Americans get the squeeze they deserve, because they fall prey to the irrelevancies of partisanship while, with a wink and a nod across the aisle and across the Street, the plutocrats rob us blind and hock our present and our future and our national solvency to their self-interested coffers.
We get what we deserve. As everything some day collapses around us, we will deserve it to the extent that we hear ourselves accusing one party and excusing the other, in relative ignorance of the real, fundamental monetary problem. And when it comes right down to it, the collapse will occur because we were more interested in the self-satisfaction of partisan bickering than in educating ourselves.
Too many repeated words, but I'm a programmer now, alas.
To be honest with myself, in answer to your critique, I have to say that my lack of action is due to two things: (1) I believe that we are beyond the point of return, and (2) I am focused on how to leverage my personal property against the ravages to come.
Taking (1) and (2) together, I expect the denoument of America to be its demise, whether gradual or catastrophic, and I do not believe that there is any hope of it being reversed, reformed, or revolutionized. Our nation is not really a nation any more; it is a turnip that the plutocracy bleeds without a view to anything but plutocratic, short-term self-interest. Short of a military coup against the Executive and Congress, which is so unlikely as to be impossible, the plutocracy will drive America into the ground. There is no other possible outcome than this, since the monetary system, which is de facto the ruling constitution, demands ever increasing debt to sustain solvency. Hocking ever more years of America's future to the plutocracy's take in the present, spells inevitable collapse. America itself is a bubble that will burst, expanding under the pressure of those self-serving plutocrats, both elected and hired, who are blowing it up beyond its tensile strength to squeeze from it their spoils.
I care, but I have no hope that Americans are aware or want to be aware, as evidenced by how they fall prey to the manipulations of partisanship, as though one party or the other, or one president or the other, is the cause of demise. Our problems are more fundamental than the foibles of one party or the other, but the plutocracy plays us as though they were, because to distract us with dueling fiddles has proven effective. To make us think that the grand battle is between Democrats and Republicans, while in fact it is between the non-partisan plutocracy and the increasingly squeezed turnip. But Americans get the squeeze they deserve, because they fall prey to the irrelevancies of partisanship while, with a wink and a nod across the aisle and across the Street, the plutocrats rob us blind and hock our present and our future and our national solvency to their self-interested coffers.
We get what we deserve. As everything some day collapses around us, we will deserve it to the extent that we hear ourselves accusing one party and excusing the other, in relative ignorance of the real, fundamental monetary problem. And when it comes right down to it, the collapse will occur because we were more interested in the self-satisfaction of partisan bickering than in educating ourselves.
Too many repeated words, but I'm a programmer now, alas.
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