Judge orders homeschoolers to public school

Postby **Shellie** » March 12th, 2009, 3:36 am

It's only a matter of time........

In the North Carolina case, Adam Cothes, a spokesman for the mother, said the children routinely had been testing at up to two years above their grade level, were involved in swim team and other activities and events outside their home and had taken leadership roles in history club events.

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RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » March 12th, 2009, 4:18 am

challenge what the "ideas" they have been taught, but it is not a "religious" issue?!?!?

On her website, family friend Robyn Williams said Mangum stated his decision was not ideologically or religiously motivated but that ordering the children into public schools would "challenge the ideas you've taught them."

right.

Dr. Ron · Postby **Dr. Ron** » March 12th, 2009, 4:42 am

I would take this all the way to Supreme Court.

Enough is enough......this has to stop some where.

teach · Postby **teach** » March 12th, 2009, 5:04 am

This is a HUGE violation of parental freedom.

wendy k

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » March 12th, 2009, 5:36 am

As I stated in another Post.. we have lost education. This is the root of the culture war and we as Christians are basically oblivious and self absorbed to know where the fight really is. Some do.. but all need to even if you think you don't have a dog in the fight.

At some point.. we are going to have to as a body of Christian believers define the agreed upon battlefronts and make these priorities in our Churches and Elected Officials.

rjjunior · Postby **rjjunior** » March 12th, 2009, 6:24 am

MacUser wrote:As I stated in another Post.. we have lost education. This is the root of the culture war and we as Christians are basically oblivious and self absorbed to know where the fight really is. Some do.. but all need to even if you think you don't have a dog in the fight.

At some point.. we are going to have to as a body of Christian believers define the agreed upon battlefronts and make these priorities in our Churches and Elected Officials.

Part of the strategy is churches partnering with local schools to provide influence, etc (ala Campus Crusade), not just 'running to the hills' with private schooling and home schooling, imo.

A2JGirl · Postby **A2JGirl** » March 12th, 2009, 7:29 am

rjjunior wrote:
MacUser wrote:As I stated in another Post.. we have lost education. This is the root of the culture war and we as Christians are basically oblivious and self absorbed to know where the fight really is. Some do.. but all need to even if you think you don't have a dog in the fight.

At some point.. we are going to have to as a body of Christian believers define the agreed upon battlefronts and make these priorities in our Churches and Elected Officials.

Part of the strategy is churches partnering with local schools to provide influence, etc (ala Campus Crusade), not just 'running to the hills' with private schooling and home schooling, imo.

In your opinion. That's the whole thing. You have a right to your opinion and to choose to do what you believe to be the best thing for your children. What if the government MADE you homeschool?

I could see if this was some kind of crazy thing (they aren't ever allowed to leave the house, they can barely read, etc). But that isn't the case here.

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » March 12th, 2009, 7:50 am

load and cock your weapons people

Tracy · Postby **Tracy** » March 12th, 2009, 8:21 am

Shellie wrote:It's only a matter of time........

In the North Carolina case, Adam Cothes, a spokesman for the mother, said the children routinely had been testing at up to two years above their grade level, were involved in swim team and other activities and events outside their home and had taken leadership roles in history club events.

Yikes

Ilovebigcats · Postby **Ilovebigcats** » March 12th, 2009, 8:45 am

I am thinking.. since it is a divorce and the Father wants them in school, we are only getting the Mother's story. If she gets sole custody and they STILL take that from her.. then we do have a serious issue.

It is still a sad situation for the kids. Divorce and then thrust into public school. Talk about trauma. Geez.

turbotim · Postby **turbotim** » March 12th, 2009, 9:04 am

The courts found in 1925 in the case of Pierce v. Society of Sisters (1925) that "the fundamental liberty upon which all governments in this Union repose excludes any general power of the State to standardize its children by forcing them to accept instruction from public teachers only."

The court also held that, "under the doctrine of Meyer v. Nebraska.... we think it entirely plain that the Act of 1922 unreasonbly interpheres with the liberty of parents and guardians to direct the upbringing and education of children under their control." ( Pierce v. Society of Sister, 1925, p. 534) This is found in the case itself.

I know these are old court cases but I believe there is importance to them in light of what is happening today. The Constitution has not changed.

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » March 13th, 2009, 5:55 am

rjjunior wrote:Part of the strategy is churches partnering with local schools to provide influence, etc (ala Campus Crusade), not just 'running to the hills' with private schooling and home schooling, imo.

Sure, but we need to be realistic on outcome. Set a gauge/standard/quota for reaching kids for Christ. Do we have an accountability for success?

My point is that whatever we are doing now.. it isn't working. Doing the same failed thing over and over and over expecting a different result seems to be what we do best.

Tracy · Postby **Tracy** » March 13th, 2009, 6:18 am

MacUser wrote:
rjjunior wrote:Part of the strategy is churches partnering with local schools to provide influence, etc (ala Campus Crusade), not just 'running to the hills' with private schooling and home schooling, imo.

My point is that whatever we are doing now.. it isn't working. Doing the same failed thing over and over and over expecting a different result seems to be what we do best.

Right. We need to keep in mind that there is absolutely no biblical precedent for children as missionaries. None.

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » March 13th, 2009, 9:04 am

Tracy wrote:Right. We need to keep in mind that there is absolutely no biblical precedent for children as missionaries. None.

Absolutely. AND I believe that WE will be held responsible for this Tracy. Either they are aborted or taught by an organization with reprobate minds. Then the older ones have the incredible gaul to ask where are the youth? Why have our values vanished. It's all being done in the name of convenience and that's just not going to wash.

Where is the Church on this core issue. Where is the leadership?

one love · Postby **one love** » March 13th, 2009, 9:59 am

Ilovebigcats wrote:I am thinking.. since it is a divorce and the Father wants them in school, we are only getting the Mother's story. If she gets sole custody and they STILL take that from her.. then we do have a serious issue.

It is still a sad situation for the kids. Divorce and then thrust into public school. Talk about trauma. Geez.

Yes from what I understand the husband does not want them home schooled he is the one that made it a issue not the court system. The courts ruled in his favor. He claims she is in a cult but the church is something "sound doctrine"
But one guy says it was a cult because they don't believe in D/R....I have never heard of this church.

but I think the real issue is he does not want to pay for his wife/ex wife to stay home and home school the kids so he took them to court.

Sad indeed!!

Jude 2