Bible Guy

[pastorables]

To keep from further hi-jacking the previous karate thread (congrats to Chase), I decided to move the discussion.

Bible Guy,

Do you have a television? Do you have cable or satellite?

pa

[MacUser]

whew thanks.

[Shellie]

I used to love Thai and Chinese food, but I quit going to the establishments because of that golden statue on the counter.

I used to love this one mom and pop place, but I quit going because they have juke boxes with non-christian music.

I used to love fast food joints, but I quit going because they hired gay people.

I used to love Mexican food, but I quit going because everyone knows that Mexico grows the best weed.

So, I was left with nothing but the grocery store....which was great until I hit the wine aisle.

I just decided to separate myself and grow my own garden....until I went to Lowe's to get the seed and saw a horoscope lawn ornament for sale in the lawn and garden department.

Soooooo, now I'm a just a skinny agoraphobic. Life is good and I've had much more time to witness to my cat at home.

[Pianoman]

Life is good and I've had much more time to witness to my cat at home.

Shellie - I'm so glad you can always see the positive side of things!

I don't have my hip boots with me this morning - so don't feel like
wading in too deep - but it's hard to draw a line anyplace anymore.

If you want to get away from everything - your only option these
days is pretty much to move to a private compound, cut yourself
off from the outside world & grow your own food. Then your labeled
as a cult! Living in the world and not of the world has sure taken on
a new meaning!

[scooter]

I used to love Mexican food, but I quit going because everyone knows that Mexico grows the best weed.

.

Response: Mexico? Mexico? Are you kidding me?

[fezzik]

I used to love Thai and Chinese food, but I quit going to the establishments because of that golden statue on the counter.

I used to love this one mom and pop place, but I quit going because they have juke boxes with non-christian music.

I used to love fast food joints, but I quit going because they hired gay people.

I used to love Mexican food, but I quit going because everyone knows that Mexico grows the best weed.

So, I was left with nothing but the grocery store....which was great until I hit the wine aisle.

I just decided to separate myself and grow my own garden....until I went to Lowe's to get the seed and saw a horoscope lawn ornament for sale in the lawn and garden department.

Soooooo, now I'm a just a skinny agoraphobic. Life is good and I've had much more time to witness to my cat at home.

Great stuff...thanks.

[MacUser]

I've had much more time to witness to my cat at home.

Ouch.

[Shellie]

scooter wrote:

Mexico? Mexico? Are you kidding me?

I didn't say Columbia because I didn't want people to know that I knew what I was talking about. Work with me here.

[bibleguy]

To keep from further hi-jacking the previous karate thread (congrats to Chase), I decided to move the discussion.

Bible Guy,

Do you have a television? Do you have cable or satellite?

pa

OK, I'll bite...

Yes I do have a TV. No, I do not have pay TV.

[bibleguy]

From the other thread...

While I would like to simply offer congratulations, I am compelled to ask a question instead...

Should Christians participate in Karate? The martial arts have their roots in eastern religions, and promote meditation and tapping into one's ki or ch'i. Whether oriental martial arts, or india's yoga, Christians are increasingly adopting practices that are admittedly rooted in eastern paganism. (Consider this taoist's comments Christianity and Martial Arts - A Taoist's View, and this Christian's comments Martial Arts - Are They Harmless?)

Christians from those countries reject the practices, knowing first-hand their origins. But western Christians often deem them as harmless.

The same is true of Mexican piñatas. I was talking with some Mexican brothers, who told me that piñatas were used in pagan rituals, and therefore Christians shouldn't use them. And it is thought that they're just birthday party favors!

I know christian Karate instructors, it is discipline and self defense.
Chuck norris was a christian was he not?


I love boxing as well. Foot ball can knock you unconscious so can any sport. Most Karate schools are not focused on any religious activity at all, just training.
I respect your view Brother and why you are feeling that way, so dont think I am saying you are legalistic or anything



Boxing vs strippers is a stretch !!!!! Boxing is not sinful it is a sport, I think we can all agree that stripping would be sinful.
I do feel many Christians have accpeted wordly things and attached Christianity to the name and it is accepted so I do understand I just dis agree on this topic. I dont see how one could think boxing or karate is wrong when there is no religous standing behind them.

What about Police and army training? Many come from some type of martial arts, is that wrong to be either?

Here's my point from the beginning... I think that everything should be examined. The path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

Maybe you grew up being taught that it was a sin to chew gum, and cut your hair. Maybe you were taught that any jewelry is sinful. Maybe you were taught that it is ok to have a glass of wine with your meals. Dipping snuff was common among Christian pilgrims, as was drinking ale. Some churches had "smoke breaks" 60 years ago.

Were these positions wrong? Were they biblical? Maybe, maybe not. But if we care anything about going on unto perfection, if we care about there arising "a glorious Church, without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing," WE MUST examine EVERYTHING by the word.

I asked a simple question. Everyone assumed I was making an accusation, which I guess is fine.

Paul said, “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” (2 Cor. 13:5).

Now, legalism fails because some rules may not apply to all. There was no general prohibition against the consumption of alcohol for the children of Israel, but the Rechabites had promised their father that they would never drink. IF THEY DRANK it would have been sin. Some things are universal, but in other cases what is sin for one, may not be for all.

“For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things” (1 John 3:20). So, one person may feel convicted in his heart about something, and so it is sin for him.

On the other hand, some things require teaching to be recognized as against God's will. Adam & Eve thought that their attempt to cover their nakedness was sufficient, but God said that it wasn't, and gave them coats to cover more. So Paul says that the younger women need to be taught to be discreet. Why, because just how much skin is too much is not necessarily instinctively understood.

I for one long for God to have a glorious church without spot or wrinkle, and am not afraid to look again at my customs, my practices, my doctrine, etc., comparing it to God's word, as the path shines brighter and brighter.

[Pastorbps]

Life is good and I've had much more time to witness to my cat at home.

This is a coincidence. I once went to Thailand for a Karate tournament and I ate cat. I know it was probably wrong but my horoscope that day said not to be afraid to take chances.

[kurt73]

From the other thread...

While I would like to simply offer congratulations, I am compelled to ask a question instead...

Should Christians participate in Karate? The martial arts have their roots in eastern religions, and promote meditation and tapping into one's ki or ch'i. Whether oriental martial arts, or india's yoga, Christians are increasingly adopting practices that are admittedly rooted in eastern paganism. (Consider this taoist's comments Christianity and Martial Arts - A Taoist's View, and this Christian's comments Martial Arts - Are They Harmless?)

Christians from those countries reject the practices, knowing first-hand their origins. But western Christians often deem them as harmless.

The same is true of Mexican piñatas. I was talking with some Mexican brothers, who told me that piñatas were used in pagan rituals, and therefore Christians shouldn't use them. And it is thought that they're just birthday party favors!

I know christian Karate instructors, it is discipline and self defense.
Chuck norris was a christian was he not?


I love boxing as well. Foot ball can knock you unconscious so can any sport. Most Karate schools are not focused on any religious activity at all, just training.
I respect your view Brother and why you are feeling that way, so dont think I am saying you are legalistic or anything



Boxing vs strippers is a stretch !!!!! Boxing is not sinful it is a sport, I think we can all agree that stripping would be sinful.
I do feel many Christians have accpeted wordly things and attached Christianity to the name and it is accepted so I do understand I just dis agree on this topic. I dont see how one could think boxing or karate is wrong when there is no religous standing behind them.

What about Police and army training? Many come from some type of martial arts, is that wrong to be either?

Here's my point from the beginning... I think that everything should be examined. The path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

Maybe you grew up being taught that it was a sin to chew gum, and cut your hair. Maybe you were taught that any jewelry is sinful. Maybe you were taught that it is ok to have a glass of wine with your meals. Dipping snuff was common among Christian pilgrims, as was drinking ale. Some churches had "smoke breaks" 60 years ago.

Were these positions wrong? Were they biblical? Maybe, maybe not. But if we care anything about going on unto perfection, if we care about there arising "a glorious Church, without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing," WE MUST examine EVERYTHING by the word.

I asked a simple question. Everyone assumed I was making an accusation, which I guess is fine.

Paul said, “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” (2 Cor. 13:5).

Now, legalism fails because some rules may not apply to all. There was no general prohibition against the consumption of alcohol for the children of Israel, but the Rechabites had promised their father that they would never drink. IF THEY DRANK it would have been sin. Some things are universal, but in other cases what is sin for one, may not be for all.

“For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things” (1 John 3:20). So, one person may feel convicted in his heart about something, and so it is sin for him.

On the other hand, some things require teaching to be recognized as against God's will. Adam & Eve thought that their attempt to cover their nakedness was sufficient, but God said that it wasn't, and gave them coats to cover more. So Paul says that the younger women need to be taught to be discreet. Why, because just how much skin is too much is not necessarily instinctively understood.

I for one long for God to have a glorious church without spot or wrinkle, and am not afraid to look again at my customs, my practices, my doctrine, etc., comparing it to God's word, as the path shines brighter and brighter.

Hence why my family do not practice Halloween, it is the origin of that so called holiday. That is what I believe, I do not force it nor do I preach it is wrong. It takes every I can do get myself into Heaven

[Paully_44]

scooter wrote:

Mexico? Mexico? Are you kidding me?

I didn't say Columbia because I didn't want people to know that I knew what I was talking about. Work with me here.

[pastorables]

OK, I'll bite...

Yes I do have a TV. No, I do not have pay TV.

Very good. I have a TV, but I do not have live feed currently. The decision to cut the live feed is a personal one. We have watched more TV together as a family by selectively choosing videos and DVD's than we ever did from satellite. Previously, the TV was just noise coming into the home and often unhealthy at that.

My point? One may have live feed, another may not, but we shouldn't be quick to judge the Christian liberty of one another.

Many of your previous questions and/or opinions concerning the moral assessment of various world amusements are easily skewed in the eyes of the beholder. I know because at one time or another I have walked the same path. I can see many of my own former opinions as they flow from your personal thoughts and views. I share this not for debate or to try to change your convictions. Nevertheless, from experience, I caution you against the error of "selective evils", picking and choosing only the offenses that make us uncomfortable as individuals... while accepting the practice of other things that would be just as offensive to another, etc.

Sincerely,
pa

[bibleguy]

Thanks. I appreciate your comment.

I would like to think that I am open, should someone question my activities, to examining them in light of scripture, regardless of how innocent I deemed them before.

Here, when I posed such a question, people responded with, "Well, what do you call the days of the week?" This was not something that they felt convicted about, or stated with any attempt to help me on unto perfection. Rather, it was intended to dismiss me and my question as invalid.

I respect your approach pastorables, but still feel that in all the buzz to justify the activity in question, no particular scripture was offered. Fine, maybe I don't deserve a Bible answer, but I believe that there should still be one.

If I use scripture to guide my life, I am sometimes branded a "legalist." Whereas the letter kills, still there must be a PRINCIPLE in God's word that covers our actions.

I don't judge others by my conscience, nor do I judge myself by theirs. Still, we have an obligation to share with one another those things that we see in God's word, and go to our brother when we see something that seems out of line with the Word. Now, we may be mistaken, but the discussion still has to happen.

And we all must strive to be not as the pharisees, who "justify themselves before men," but rather, being justified by faith, And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works.