Has anybody seen this book?

stevenson · Postby **stevenson** » March 25th, 2009, 2:08 pm

I found this on the web.....

Dr. Rick Warren proposes that his Purpose Driven Church movement is a New Reformation, the greatest paradigm shift in church government and message since Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of the church in Wittenburg, Germany, on October 31, 1517.

Without doubt, the Purpose Driven Church has become a tremendous force in the world, but Noah Hutchings sees a dark side to this force.

Dr. Warren stated on May 23, 2005, at the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life: "The word `Fundamentalist' actually comes from a document in the 1920s called the Five Fundamentals of the Faith. And it is a very legalistic, narrow view of Christianity."

The five fundamentals of the faith to which Dr. Warren objected are:

1)The inerrancy and full authority of the Bible
2)The virgin birth and full Deity of Jesus Christ
3)The bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4)Christ's atoning, vicarious death for the sins of the world
5)The literal Second Coming of Jesus Christ

The Purpose Driven Church religion at best is a distortion of the gospel; at worst, a repudiation of biblical, saving faith in Jesus Christ.

Noah Hutchings was a member of the second largest Baptist church in Oklahoma, where he had served for fifteen years. Then suddenly, his church converted to a Purpose Driven format. Being the president of a communications ministry, he has counseled with hundreds who have been disenfranchised from Purpose Driven churches by conscience or invitation. This is the other story about the Purpose Driven Life that some now reference as the "Purpose Driven Death."

Postby **Pastor Gary** » March 25th, 2009, 2:11 pm

Well it must be true, it's on the interwebs.

paul · Postby **paul** » March 25th, 2009, 2:17 pm

Dr. Warren stated on May 23, 2005, at the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life: "The word `Fundamentalist' actually comes from a document in the 1920s called the Five Fundamentals of the Faith. And it is a very legalistic, narrow view of Christianity."

The five fundamentals of the faith to which Dr. Warren objected are:

1)The inerrancy and full authority of the Bible
2)The virgin birth and full Deity of Jesus Christ
3)The bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4)Christ's atoning, vicarious death for the sins of the world
5)The literal Second Coming of Jesus Christ

Is there evidence in Print that Rick Warren does in fact object or is in oppostion to these five main principles. Or is he saying that these five alone does not shape the whole of christianity in its every day interaction with those we are called to minister to?

DeWayneTN · Postby **DeWayneTN** » March 25th, 2009, 2:19 pm

Why not list the source?

Mole_J · Postby **Mole_J** » March 25th, 2009, 2:32 pm

This is the book on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Purpose ... 1933641002

There is also another book that claims the Rick Warren is part of the New Age movement:
http://www.amazon.com/Deceived-Purpose- ... gy_b_img_b

Postby **Pastor Gary** » March 25th, 2009, 2:49 pm

DeWayneTN wrote:Why not list the source?

Perhaps because it was http://www.eaec.org/bookstore/books/the ... he_pdc.htm ?

If so, why was the following deleted from the direct quote?
"We are aware that Noah Hutchings is a hyper-dispensational, dual covenant teacher and pushes Cyrus Scofield's interpretation of the Bible. However, we are choosing to carry his book since it does not promote these viewpoints and only deals with the heresies of The Purpose Driven Life and its affect on Southern Baptist churches."

stevenson · Postby **stevenson** » March 25th, 2009, 4:17 pm

That is where I got what I posted. But I actually saw this in another forum, which caused me to google it and find the above info on the book.

I just thought it was strange and even stranger that I haven't heard anything about this book?????

Postby **Pastor Gary** » March 25th, 2009, 4:55 pm

stevenson wrote:That is where I got what I posted. But I actually saw this in another forum, which caused me to google it and find the above info on the book.

I just thought it was strange and even stranger that I haven't heard anything about this book?????

Could be because the writer is not a respected source, or his criticisms of Warren may be over-the-top, exaggerations, or just wrong. One of my favorite quotes from Warren himself is:

"When you're small, they'll dismiss you. When you're growing, they'll criticize you. When you're large, they'll resent you."

free · Postby **free** » March 25th, 2009, 5:08 pm

Nothing I've ever read by Rick Warren nor any of the times I've heard him speak have ever led me to believe he believes the way this guy says he does.

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » March 25th, 2009, 5:20 pm

free wrote:Nothing I've ever read by Rick Warren nor any of the times I've heard him speak have ever led me to believe he believes the way this guy says he does.

I agree. Rick Warren has a wonderful testimony of following God from humble beginnings to a happening ministry. Haven't we all been misunderstood and misrepresented at one time or another?

pa

Dr. Ron · Postby **Dr. Ron** » March 26th, 2009, 4:37 am

Ok, I know you will not believe this, but I know Rick personally. I spent several hours with him at Saddleback along with 6 other pastors. He had asked to meet with those in the conference who had started churches without any financial support. There were 7 of us. We had lunch together and talked for several hours.

He is not a heritic. I assure you he is a man of God....endorsed by more Southern Baptists than you can count. He is a close friend of Billy Graham and all the major men it that denomination. He submits his ministry to several of them. He and Hybells are close friends.

You will never hear anyone who isn't some jealous soul, critize him for his work.

I operate a Purpose Driven Church. I believe that it embodies what the NT order is for the church. I did not accept the concept easily, but I did study the concept closely. I believe it is the best way to organize a church and move people into a relationship with God from"sinner to saint". I use all the tools available 101,201,301,401.....Purpose Driven Life, the whole thing......it makes sense and makes the work of the pastor far more effective.

I stand with Rick and say......."Poppy Cock" to this charge.

dolfan · Postby **dolfan** » March 26th, 2009, 7:21 am

Rick Warren may be a lot of things but a heretic ain't one. I believe the guy is as solid as anybody you'll ever meet. He isn't perfect, but who is? That's probably just a guy with nothing more to do than find somebody else to grind down and gets excited when 5 people across the world happen to agree with him. There's a guy who operates one of these Christian conciliation ministries who spends more time berating other Christian conciliation ministries than he does actually doing any "conciliating". :roll:

That's who this reminds me of.

Mike Vande · Postby **Mike Vande** » March 26th, 2009, 12:48 pm

Yes indeed, I did see that book. It was driving south on highway 35 in a Red Ferrari Testarossa, steering with his knees, wearing flashy sportswear, drinking beer, screaming and making obscene hand gestures at the cars he was passing while exceeding the speed limit by 90 miles per hour and shooting a machine gun out of the moon roof.

I think it was that book, anyway...it might have been Pastor Gary... O:)

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » March 26th, 2009, 3:14 pm

Dr. Ron wrote:Ok, I know you will not believe this, but I know Rick personally.

Why does that not surprise me?

I've told people for years that you were like "everyone knows bubba"... :lol:

I even preached about you in this regard recently. :wink:

Btw, do you know my friend Daron Maughon? He lives in the Nashville area now.

pa

Dr. Ron · Postby **Dr. Ron** » March 26th, 2009, 5:10 pm

Actually PA , I don't know if I know that person or not.......sounds familiar.

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