They're talking about John Callipari to replace B. Gillespie. According to the Louisville Courier-Journal, an announcement could come as early as Tuesday.
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Don't see it as beng good for either one, Cal has had rumors of problems at memphis almost from the start, there have been several investigations by the memphis paper, with alot of questions about players and gifts, money and cars. The kittens /SEC are always in the NCAA sights, with cal being in Lessington the NCAA will open a branch office.
The Kittens have been busted more times than any other program.
On his coaching side, He does ok against ok teams in CUSA, but he has had some of the best players money can buy (ask World Wide Wess) yet the best he has ever done is lose in the title game, and one other trip to final four. Their best shot would be go after Izzo or your guy in Miller at X. I do think the SEC will be down alot more than normal the next few years and he will most likely be at the top of SEC. But he will have problems out of conference. THe Down SEC is not much better than CUsa, they may have 2 or 3 teams in the SEC to compete with.
The Kittens have been busted more times than any other program.
On his coaching side, He does ok against ok teams in CUSA, but he has had some of the best players money can buy (ask World Wide Wess) yet the best he has ever done is lose in the title game, and one other trip to final four. Their best shot would be go after Izzo or your guy in Miller at X. I do think the SEC will be down alot more than normal the next few years and he will most likely be at the top of SEC. But he will have problems out of conference. THe Down SEC is not much better than CUsa, they may have 2 or 3 teams in the SEC to compete with.
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For $5 Million a year? For BASKETBALL?
Tell me Bama was crazy for hiring Saban for $4m a year. Go on, tell me. Good grief. I like Calipari, but he hasn't won anything. $5Million? For basketball?
I can see investing that much in a football coach at a program that will fill about 100,000 seats 6-7 times a year. Putting that much into a basketball coach who will fill a 23,000 seat arena about 15 times a year is way, way, way out of line. This is just insane. Plus, it'll drive up football coach salaries. UK, you just kissed your football program good-bye. What a joke.
Tell me Bama was crazy for hiring Saban for $4m a year. Go on, tell me. Good grief. I like Calipari, but he hasn't won anything. $5Million? For basketball?
I can see investing that much in a football coach at a program that will fill about 100,000 seats 6-7 times a year. Putting that much into a basketball coach who will fill a 23,000 seat arena about 15 times a year is way, way, way out of line. This is just insane. Plus, it'll drive up football coach salaries. UK, you just kissed your football program good-bye. What a joke.
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Been out of the loop for a few days, on a much needed break! What in the world has happened to Jude2? Don't like this setup at all. However, here's my take on UK and Coach Cal. First, I think it was/is a win/win situation for UK and Coach Cal. Tony, I'm not sure where your info has come from with regards to the trouble Coach Cal has had at Memphis? He graduated 19 of the last 22 seniors. There has been no officiate investigation at Memphis. He did have some trouble at UMass, but I think that was with administration. While the SEC was down this year (and I was so glad to not have to hear all of that how great they are), they will not stay down. Billy D will turn UF around, Bruce is doing well at UT, Horn will have USC playing good, and John P should turn the Hogs around as well. Anyway, all of that said, the SEC down is better than the CUSA up any day of the week. One reason talk has it that Memphis is looking to get into the Big East. But with all things, time will tell on this one.
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Rob it is funny how the number 19 of 22 Seniors comes out all the time, why because you can's say he has graduated 95% of his players because he does not care about grad rates. He gets those one and dones. What that number actually says of the 22 players who stayed all four years 19 got degrees. The problem is that is not how the NCAA calculated Grad rates. I do think it will be a little better at lessington but that is one of those misleading stats.
well to start with you have WWW…. (world Wide Wes) which many have called a power broker, other calls an agent (someone who represents someone else) He has been the center of many “deals” he has been called by Cal a great friend of the Memphis state (used state on purpose) program. Then you have to look at some of the things cal has done to get players. To get Dajuan Wagner, they hired his dad for a job that did not exist, they signed two other players (Dajuans possey). To Get Evans, they hired his “personal trainer” to be his personal trainer, they rest of the team share trainers. NO Memphis is not the only team that has done such. Duke got a recruits mother a job, a job she had no experience in beforehand, a job where she made more than the lady that hired her and a job that only lasted while the kid was at duke. There are a lot of fishy things that have went on, Memphis players driving brand new cars, One last year who could not afford a car in HS showed up in a Lexus and a 4k fur coat. When investigated is was stated… “nothing could be proven” Cal is given a Pass on the Camby thing, in part because when it came to light he left and went to NBA and the NCAA could not compel him to talk. And others give him a pass saying he didn’t know. Well the Problem is he is supposed to know that is his job. That did not fly when tubby had kids get in trouble and will not fly for cal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/sport ... wes&st=cse
Then you look at the Forde article on ESPN…
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/ ... ortCat=ncb
Ky had problems with players getting in trouble with the law, they started the Zero Tolerance policy but later changed it to Zero Tolerance unless you are a star policy. Most of the kittens problems were minor in comparison to the legal problem the Memphis state players were getting into. Tubby dealt with underage drinking, drug use minor scuffles in nightclubs and such. Mempis players were arrested for assault as well some felonies that were “dismissed”. Mostly with the player getting a slap on the wrist, and allowed back on the team. Yes every program has kids that mess up, just most of the time the kid is dismissed or at least something more than a slap on the wrist.
Here is the first step down that “questionable” road. Cal (and most of the kitten faithful) want him to bring his recruits from Memphis with him. No there is no “rule” against it but it is questionable to say the least. Yes let the kids out of their LOI to go to Memphis, and allow them to go ANYWHERE but follow Cal, and if they chose to follow cal they should have to sit at least one season. Which will never happen because most are one and done and they will not sit one year. By all rights this is a Dead period, and since he is no longer the coach at Memphis, and is the coach at Ky he is no longer allowed to contact recruits from Memphis, yet he is making contact with players.
Things he got away with at Memphis, he will not be able to get away with under the bright spotlight the NCAA places the SEC, also given the history that Ky has been found guilty more times than any other school, I think this could be the start of the next NCAA investigations starting in Lessington. Yes I think Cal is a good coach, I did not say great Coach, what has he really done? Yes he has won a lot of game over the last 4 years, but you need to remember that those 4 years were after UofL, Cincy, Marquette, Depaul and South Fla left. He has gotten some of the best if not the very best players several years in a row, yet even with these players how many final fours? How many titles? I think the Billy D would be a better hire, no hints of problems with ncaa’s, a proven history. Two rings.
Personally I don’t like Cal, never did. I didn’t like him at Umass or Memphis, so not liking him at lessington is not a change. I do think he is a good coach and has a shot to win games. The question is if he goes the the Final four, will it be vacated later when we find out about a fedex package or new car. I like the hire because I think it is only a matter of time. Ky is a program with a lot of heat around it, not sure you bring in a guy who plays with Gas and matches.
well to start with you have WWW…. (world Wide Wes) which many have called a power broker, other calls an agent (someone who represents someone else) He has been the center of many “deals” he has been called by Cal a great friend of the Memphis state (used state on purpose) program. Then you have to look at some of the things cal has done to get players. To get Dajuan Wagner, they hired his dad for a job that did not exist, they signed two other players (Dajuans possey). To Get Evans, they hired his “personal trainer” to be his personal trainer, they rest of the team share trainers. NO Memphis is not the only team that has done such. Duke got a recruits mother a job, a job she had no experience in beforehand, a job where she made more than the lady that hired her and a job that only lasted while the kid was at duke. There are a lot of fishy things that have went on, Memphis players driving brand new cars, One last year who could not afford a car in HS showed up in a Lexus and a 4k fur coat. When investigated is was stated… “nothing could be proven” Cal is given a Pass on the Camby thing, in part because when it came to light he left and went to NBA and the NCAA could not compel him to talk. And others give him a pass saying he didn’t know. Well the Problem is he is supposed to know that is his job. That did not fly when tubby had kids get in trouble and will not fly for cal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/sport ... wes&st=cse
Then you look at the Forde article on ESPN…
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/ ... ortCat=ncb
Ky had problems with players getting in trouble with the law, they started the Zero Tolerance policy but later changed it to Zero Tolerance unless you are a star policy. Most of the kittens problems were minor in comparison to the legal problem the Memphis state players were getting into. Tubby dealt with underage drinking, drug use minor scuffles in nightclubs and such. Mempis players were arrested for assault as well some felonies that were “dismissed”. Mostly with the player getting a slap on the wrist, and allowed back on the team. Yes every program has kids that mess up, just most of the time the kid is dismissed or at least something more than a slap on the wrist.
Here is the first step down that “questionable” road. Cal (and most of the kitten faithful) want him to bring his recruits from Memphis with him. No there is no “rule” against it but it is questionable to say the least. Yes let the kids out of their LOI to go to Memphis, and allow them to go ANYWHERE but follow Cal, and if they chose to follow cal they should have to sit at least one season. Which will never happen because most are one and done and they will not sit one year. By all rights this is a Dead period, and since he is no longer the coach at Memphis, and is the coach at Ky he is no longer allowed to contact recruits from Memphis, yet he is making contact with players.
Things he got away with at Memphis, he will not be able to get away with under the bright spotlight the NCAA places the SEC, also given the history that Ky has been found guilty more times than any other school, I think this could be the start of the next NCAA investigations starting in Lessington. Yes I think Cal is a good coach, I did not say great Coach, what has he really done? Yes he has won a lot of game over the last 4 years, but you need to remember that those 4 years were after UofL, Cincy, Marquette, Depaul and South Fla left. He has gotten some of the best if not the very best players several years in a row, yet even with these players how many final fours? How many titles? I think the Billy D would be a better hire, no hints of problems with ncaa’s, a proven history. Two rings.
Personally I don’t like Cal, never did. I didn’t like him at Umass or Memphis, so not liking him at lessington is not a change. I do think he is a good coach and has a shot to win games. The question is if he goes the the Final four, will it be vacated later when we find out about a fedex package or new car. I like the hire because I think it is only a matter of time. Ky is a program with a lot of heat around it, not sure you bring in a guy who plays with Gas and matches.
Tony,
Because of the length of your post, I will copy and paste what I want to address to make more sense out of my post. Having said that, let me also say, that I am no longer the UK fan like I one time was. However, I am a fan of college sports, and look at things differently now probably than ever. I am a WVU fan, I am a BE fan.
Fact, Cal has graduated 19 of the last 22, he also started a program at Memphis and will probably do the same at UK where his one and done guys still will have the opportunity to come back and get their degree. Pretty good for a guy that doesn't care about grad rates. In his own acceptance he stated, guys have to go to class, go to tutoring, or not play. Time will tell if that is his policy.
While officiating a Christmas tourney this year in our region, I met a guy who is a "power broker" or "agent" whichever you want to call him. While spending 4 days with this guy, I personally heard him talk to such Coaches as Pitino, Gillisepe (sp), Cal, Roy Williams, Donavon, Huggins, "K" to mention a few. I answered his phone for him one time at it was Coach Pearl. As a matter of fact, Coach Pearl came to the tourney to watch the kid for Eastern play. My point is, tell me a coach that doesn't have a "agent" to scout these kids play today. The answer, guys who don't win that's who.
Wonder if that means, after something is investigated and nothing could be proven, that nothing could be proven, thus nothing was done wrong. Dolfan, you're an attorney, could you help me with this? Maybe Johnny Cochran's line "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit" fits here.
Tell me a school that hasn't?
As do most other schools as well.
I'm sure Memphis is not the first and only school to do this, so that point is moot.
If there is no rule against it, why is it questionable? If Memphis releases a kid he is open to the recruiting process. Kids no longer want to play for a certain school, as much as they want to play for a certain coach. So again, I'm not sure what the point is here.
Why punish a 18 year old kid for a decision he made to a coach at a school and the coach leaves? I've known CEO's leave a certain company, and take employees with them, should those employee's not be allowed to follow?
This is a dead period by who? Kids who have not committed are still allowed to be recruited. If a kid has committed to a school, that school is still allowed to have contact with that kid, however, if a kid is committed to a school, and not been released he is off limits to any coach except to the school he has committed to. Plus Cal is making contact with Billy G.'s commitments and those who have not committed.
What did he get away with at Memphis? And you do have proof of that, because I'm sure the NCAA would love to have it.
Is that a fact? or an innuendo?
I agree with that, however, what has he done lately? Besides, he said no, twice so he wasn't coming to UK anyway.
Now we get to the root of it. There is probably not a coach that I dislike only one school that I can think of that I really dislike and that is ND. Simply because they get their cake and eat it too. I think the BE should tell them get in or out, not in in a few sports but not football.
Amazing he just left Fed Ex arena and the CEO of Fed Ex was a major contributor to the Memphis program and he didn't send any packages there, that we have record off. Of course with those connections surely it could slip under the radar and now that he left them high and dry Fed Ex will turn him in now.
I'll make a deal with you Tony, If in 5 years or the length of Cal's contract there has nothing be found out about him and he remains clean, you will acknowledge that you were wrong about him. You still don't have to acknowledge he's a great coach, just that he has run a clean program. If you agree, and Cal is found to have done somethings wrong I will acknowledge that you were correct.
The truth of the matter is, time will tell about Coach Cal. Until then all these crazy Cat fans will have something to talk about until the season begins next year.
Because of the length of your post, I will copy and paste what I want to address to make more sense out of my post. Having said that, let me also say, that I am no longer the UK fan like I one time was. However, I am a fan of college sports, and look at things differently now probably than ever. I am a WVU fan, I am a BE fan.
because he does not care about grad rates. He gets those one and dones. What that number actually says of the 22 players who stayed all four years 19 got degrees. The problem is that is not how the NCAA calculated Grad rates. I do think it will be a little better at lessington but that is one of those misleading stats.
Fact, Cal has graduated 19 of the last 22, he also started a program at Memphis and will probably do the same at UK where his one and done guys still will have the opportunity to come back and get their degree. Pretty good for a guy that doesn't care about grad rates. In his own acceptance he stated, guys have to go to class, go to tutoring, or not play. Time will tell if that is his policy.
power broker, other calls an agent (someone who represents someone else) He has been the center of many “deals” he has been called by Cal a great friend
While officiating a Christmas tourney this year in our region, I met a guy who is a "power broker" or "agent" whichever you want to call him. While spending 4 days with this guy, I personally heard him talk to such Coaches as Pitino, Gillisepe (sp), Cal, Roy Williams, Donavon, Huggins, "K" to mention a few. I answered his phone for him one time at it was Coach Pearl. As a matter of fact, Coach Pearl came to the tourney to watch the kid for Eastern play. My point is, tell me a coach that doesn't have a "agent" to scout these kids play today. The answer, guys who don't win that's who.
When investigated is was stated… “nothing could be proven”
Wonder if that means, after something is investigated and nothing could be proven, that nothing could be proven, thus nothing was done wrong. Dolfan, you're an attorney, could you help me with this? Maybe Johnny Cochran's line "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit" fits here.
Ky had problems with players getting in trouble with the law
Tell me a school that hasn't?
they started the Zero Tolerance policy but later changed it to Zero Tolerance unless you are a star policy.
As do most other schools as well.
Mempis players were arrested for assault as well some felonies that were “dismissed”. Mostly with the player getting a slap on the wrist, and allowed back on the team
I'm sure Memphis is not the first and only school to do this, so that point is moot.
Here is the first step down that “questionable” road. Cal (and most of the kitten faithful) want him to bring his recruits from Memphis with him. No there is no “rule” against it but it is questionable to say the least.
If there is no rule against it, why is it questionable? If Memphis releases a kid he is open to the recruiting process. Kids no longer want to play for a certain school, as much as they want to play for a certain coach. So again, I'm not sure what the point is here.
and allow them to go ANYWHERE but follow Cal,
Why punish a 18 year old kid for a decision he made to a coach at a school and the coach leaves? I've known CEO's leave a certain company, and take employees with them, should those employee's not be allowed to follow?
By all rights this is a Dead period, and since he is no longer the coach at Memphis, and is the coach at Ky he is no longer allowed to contact recruits from Memphis, yet he is making contact with players.
This is a dead period by who? Kids who have not committed are still allowed to be recruited. If a kid has committed to a school, that school is still allowed to have contact with that kid, however, if a kid is committed to a school, and not been released he is off limits to any coach except to the school he has committed to. Plus Cal is making contact with Billy G.'s commitments and those who have not committed.
Things he got away with at Memphis
What did he get away with at Memphis? And you do have proof of that, because I'm sure the NCAA would love to have it.
also given the history that Ky has been found guilty more times than any other school,
Is that a fact? or an innuendo?
I think the Billy D would be a better hire, no hints of problems with ncaa’s, a proven history. Two rings.
I agree with that, however, what has he done lately? Besides, he said no, twice so he wasn't coming to UK anyway.
Personally I don’t like Cal, never did. I didn’t like him at Umass or Memphis, so not liking him at lessington is not a change.
Now we get to the root of it. There is probably not a coach that I dislike only one school that I can think of that I really dislike and that is ND. Simply because they get their cake and eat it too. I think the BE should tell them get in or out, not in in a few sports but not football.
The question is if he goes the the Final four, will it be vacated later when we find out about a fedex package or new car. I like the hire because I think it is only a matter of time. Ky is a program with a lot of heat around it, not sure you bring in a guy who plays with Gas and matches.
Amazing he just left Fed Ex arena and the CEO of Fed Ex was a major contributor to the Memphis program and he didn't send any packages there, that we have record off. Of course with those connections surely it could slip under the radar and now that he left them high and dry Fed Ex will turn him in now.
I'll make a deal with you Tony, If in 5 years or the length of Cal's contract there has nothing be found out about him and he remains clean, you will acknowledge that you were wrong about him. You still don't have to acknowledge he's a great coach, just that he has run a clean program. If you agree, and Cal is found to have done somethings wrong I will acknowledge that you were correct.
The truth of the matter is, time will tell about Coach Cal. Until then all these crazy Cat fans will have something to talk about until the season begins next year.
If I were to read, much less answer, all the attacks made on me, this shop might as well be closed for business. I do the very best I know how, the very best I can, and I mean to keep doing so until the end. If the end brings me out right, what is said against me won't amount to anything. If the end brings me out wrong, ten angels swearing I was right will make no difference." -Abraham Lincoln
Fact, Cal has graduated 19 of the last 22, he also started a program at Memphis and will probably do the same at UK where his one and done guys still will have the opportunity to come back and get their degree. Pretty good for a guy that doesn't care about grad rates. In his own acceptance he stated, guys have to go to class, go to tutoring, or not play. Time will tell if that is his policy.
Why is it the 19 0f last 22? Again you really need to look into the wording, and the reason for the wording, the wording is of the last 22 four years players 19 have their degrees. Which is normal, a person spends 4 years in school why should they not get their degree? The question is Why three four year players did not get their degree? Another is why not the entire time Cal has been the coach there? I can pull these players off of the top of my head. Wagner, Derrick Rose, Douglas Roberts, Shawne Williams, Sean Banks were all early entrants in the last several years. On setting up a program for kids who leave early to come back and get degree. I thought it was already done, I know that Louisville did that several years ago. If a student athlete leaves in good standing they can at anytime come back and get their degree. No matter the sport or reason for leaving or time. Kenny Payne came back and got his degree and then went on to be an assistant coach somewhere out west. Well if not going to class means no play then he is just doing what most other coaches do, remember Earl Clark missed the Ky game his freshman year because he skipped class. Well I am not sure but I do think the return policy is already in place at lessington. So you are saying he is a pretty good guy for doing something most others do. NOW I am not sure it is all about the players, it is about the Grad rate and the NCAA new rules. Kids leaving early for NBA or NFL hurt grad rates and over a period of time hurt the university.
While officiating a Christmas tourney this year in our region, I met a guy who is a "power broker" or "agent" whichever you want to call him. While spending 4 days with this guy, I personally heard him talk to such Coaches as Pitino, Gillisepe (sp), Cal, Roy Williams, Donavon, Huggins, "K" to mention a few. I answered his phone for him one time at it was Coach Pearl. As a matter of fact, Coach Pearl came to the tourney to watch the kid for Eastern play. My point is, tell me a coach that doesn't have a "agent" to scout these kids play today. The answer, guys who don't win that's who.
Are these power brokers given unlimited access to the programs? Are they brokering deals for players? Yes there are people who have contact, many because of AAU and shoe companies. BUT most of them do not do this for just one program. WWW brokered the deal for Wagner, his dad and his pal, WWW also was working on a deal with Evans, He was down to three schools when WWW got involved, he had evans narrow it down to Memphis and UofL. When WWW got involved Rick made it know that UofL was no longer interested in him. Evans came out and said it was down to UofL and Memphis, and that he was making an unofficial visit to UofL. Rick then said in public he was not going to be in Louisville that day and that UofL no longer had an interest in Evans. That is the public statement. This is what I know from a current player, I know this because I have a friend who is very close with all of the UofL players. Rick made it known that WWW would not be allowed in any UofL Locker rooms, and If he was given access to any current player that player would be as good as gone. WWW has a very bad rep, he has been banned from several colleges, Not just UofL.
Wonder if that means, after something is investigated and nothing could be proven, that nothing could be proven, thus nothing was done wrong. Dolfan, you're an attorney, could you help me with this? Maybe Johnny Cochran's line "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit" fits here.
SO since nothing could have been proven about hal mummie, he was innocent of what went on in the football program? What we do know is if you are investigated what you do is jump to the pros and refuse to answer any questions. The NCAA does not have the ability to force anyone to answer any questions. All they can do is ban them, but if the coach or player jumps ship nothing is done… Look at Mr Bush and USC, he admitted it on national TV and since no one will talk they get away with it. At Memphis there have been several things that have happened but never investigated by the NCAA. No if there is that much smoke and nothing gets proven it can be a number of things, 1 People are being paid off. 2, they are good at cheating. 3 The NCAA has selective enforcement. I think I see some SMOKE HERE. .... BTW. does that mean you think OJ didn't do it? if so most of the free worlds disagrees with you.
Tell me a school that hasn't?
True but how many stay on the team? How many can have major legal problems and all of a sudden have the charges dismissed. I am sorry but if you beat your Girlfriend put her in the hospital, you need more consequences than sit out a pre season game? You are not telling me you are fine with such treatment of people who abuse women? Do we see some SMOKE HERE?
As do most other schools as well.
Ok so we are just making excuses now, the everyone does it theory? Well I agree that kids make mistakes but the Kittens went thru all kinds of problems with kids and booze, pot, fighting, They had one player pull a gun on another player. PR nightmare, so the big Zero tolerance was announced but never enforced. Yes problems happen everywhere but not every program has a dog and pony shows and then never backs it up. The sad thing is the stuff the kittens were busted over were not one tenth as bad as the stuff going on in Memphis. Also let me say this, I have personal knowledge of one event that was hushed up. Looks like more SMOKE.
I'm sure Memphis is not the first and only school to do this, so that point is moot.
Again so everyone does it so that makes it ok? So if you were attacked and the charges were dismissed, I guess that would be ok since other schools do it. Say what you will but it goes to show that Cal is not some strict disciplinarian, again MORE SMOKE
If there is no rule against it, why is it questionable? If Memphis releases a kid he is open to the recruiting process. Kids no longer want to play for a certain school, as much as they want to play for a certain coach. So again, I'm not sure what the point is here.
Just like it was questionable for Billy G to go out and sign 8th graders. Look at the time frame. Cal leave Memphis, becomes Kitten coach, THEN HE TALKS TO MEMPHIS RECRUITS. According to your own comments. He is not allowed to talk to kids who have signed with other schools. THAT IS WHAT HE IS DOING.
Why punish a 18 year old kid for a decision he made to a coach at a school and the coach leaves? I've known CEO's leave a certain company, and take employees with them, should those employee's not be allowed to follow?
Well because EVERYONE ONE KNOWS that you sign with a school not a coach. That is made clear over and over. Yes employees leave to go with another CEO…. UNLESS they have a contract with the first company that they are required to fulfill. As well as many companies have employees sign a no compete clause. That is what is going on here, the NCAA says you sign the contract and that requires the school to fulfill part and you do your part. It is a contract. So if it why is it ok for the 18 year old to break his part but the College is not allowed to. If you see now, Cal is speaking with players that have signed LOI with Ky, If he doesn’t think it is a player he wants he can not just pull the offer once signed unless the player agrees. (both sides agreeing to break the contract) Cal tells a kid, I will let you come but you will not see a second of playing time and I will not renew your scholarship next year so you might as well go now. The NCAA LOI is about as one sided agreement as you can get, but NO KID is required to sign it. They can show up first day of school and sign the scholly papers and it is over.
Is that a fact? or an innuendo?
YES IT IS FACT. Look at the ncaa infractions list. Ky had been guilty of breaking rules in every decade from 1950s to 2000’s except one… 1990’s but they did get busted twice in the 80’s so that makes up for that. Wonder who was in charge in the 90’s, wonder who was the Head coaches of the football and basketball programs then.
I agree with that, however, what has he done lately? Besides, he said no, twice so he wasn't coming to UK anyway.
So lately means just the last two years? Well Billy D has won two titles, how many has cal won? How many final fours does Cal have? (be careful one was vacated because of cheating in the program he was supposed to be in charge of) Yes Billy D has went to the NIT last two years but if you recall Memphis has been to Nits lately too. YES Billy D was not coming but I say too many fans and media as well as BrainFart are now willing to overlook the smoke in Cals programs just to get wins. I think that is a fire they don’t want.
Now we get to the root of it. There is probably not a coach that I dislike only one school that I can think of that I really dislike and that is ND. Simply because they get their cake and eat it too. I think the BE should tell them get in or out, not in in a few sports but not football.
OK now the world is coming to an end… we agree on ND. BUT NO this has nothing to do with my feelings for cal, I actually like it because I think within a few years they will once again be on some type of probation. There are a lot of coaches I don’t like, I never liked Billy G, or Tubby that much but Tubby got a bad rap by the fans and Billy thought he could do things his way and found out he could not. Also Billy G was a last second last hope for a coach, we were told over and over how good a recruiter he was and how good a coach he was, YET when he got here we seen he was not that great a coach, and then when looked in depth at his recruiting that was supposed to be so great, was not, Patterson was a Tubby sign, he was given credit for Law at A&M but he did not sign him either. The kids he signed in lessington never panned out either.
Amazing he just left Fed Ex arena and the CEO of Fed Ex was a major contributor to the Memphis program and he didn't send any packages there, that we have record off. Of course with those connections surely it could slip under the radar and now that he left them high and dry Fed Ex will turn him in now.
Well you need to also know that a recruits mother worked for FEDEX the FEDEX CEO contacted his worker and said how much he wanted her son to play at Memphis. (an NCAA violation ) the kid signed a few days later. But nothing ever done. (you can look it up)
I'll make a deal with you Tony, If in 5 years or the length of Cal's contract there has nothing be found out about him and he remains clean, you will acknowledge that you were wrong about him. You still don't have to acknowledge he's a great coach, just that he has run a clean program. If you agree, and Cal is found to have done somethings wrong I will acknowledge that you were correct.
The truth of the matter is, time will tell about Coach Cal. Until then all these crazy Cat fans will have something to talk about until the season begins next year.
Problem is no matter how long his contract at ky is I will never say he runs a clean program because he skirts the rules at every other place he has been. To run a clean program, it has to be clean, He did not run a clean program at Umass, the program he was in charge of was busted and Memphis there is so much smoke but since he is leaving no one will look any further. But to be fair you will say is it a clean programs as long as NCAA does not do anything. Well to me that just means they are good cheaters. SO if we go back to the glove doesn't fit theroy, As long as OJ doesn't get happy with his knife ever again he was clean before.
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