one love wrote:75% of texans say they do NOT want to leave the U.S.
He could be planning a presidential run.
I love the tea parties for NO more taxes etc. But the hidden talks of leaving the U.S. or revolt to "civil war" of some sort is radical and insane. Just be patient and then vote our man in the next election. It has been for months of clinton #2 and we made it through him okay! If states leave the U.s. or a civil war of some sort really took place it would be the end of the united states! Yes we may survive off of our gardens in the yard but to have war here, is insane and radical in my opinion. We would also lose any strength in the world, worse off then when Russia died.....
I dont think everyone really thinks about the effects if we just fell completely...
Keep peaceful positive tea parties going, plan a WASHINGTON march going on and vote your conscience in 2012.....
Look. No one in their right mind wants war. But, I'd take it over what we've got in front of us. One love, I want to be free from Federal intrusion into my own sovereignty over myself, my home, my work and my income. I want to be free from Federal co-option of private enterprise. I'm tired of social welfare insurance of any kind, any scope, including Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. I shouldn't have to pay one penny toward yours, nor you mine. Keep your money, your wealth, your property, I'll keep mine. Use your stuff to suit yourself. If you've got more than me, GREAT! If you are too poor, uneducated, sick or whatever to make it happen for yourself, that's not the burden of your fellow citizen. Neighborliness and charity are wonderful (and that's why I still maintain that the church in proper organization and attitude is the ONLY institution under heaven capable of meeting these issues in any meaningful way), but when government starts confiscating your money and dictating how you do your business in order to meet its own agendas and administrative costs of conducting that kind of welfare, freedom has already met its end. It is a fait accompli.
Let me tell you something. We don't need to go back to the 1980's as some would have here. We need to go back to the 1880's. We need a Supreme Court that will decide, as in cases in that time period, that Congressional power, and even State power, must be justified very strictly and allowed in very narrow circumstances when they interfere with private economic rights. We need the 1894 Supreme Court that declared the first income tax passed by Congress unconstitutional as a "direct tax". We need a libertarian view of the rights of our people.
Patience and voting don't work now. We voted "our man" in 2000, and look at the damage he did. I can tell you right now that if there's a vote in 2012, I won't vote for anybody running who's ever held elective office on any level. Give me a man who doesn't consider government service a career. Give me somebody thrifty, rich, shrewd and full of testosterone and a passion for individual liberty. I'll probably vote for that. Don't give me somebody with a heritage in politics --- if those are my choices, I'll exercise my right of expression in manners far more constructive than the mamby-pamby ballot box that's so controlled by special interests that there ARE no choices among candidates.
Right now, part of the problem is a lack of leadership. Nature abhors a vacuum. Obama is bent on destroying freedom (no more so in my mind, now, than Bush was --- they're two sides of one coin, IMO). Bush, though, was a leader. Obama is a lightweight pansy of a man whose first words to anyone he meets are "I'm sorry." He should be sorry. He voted for and supported his fair share of the mess that he's presiding over now. But, he owes his apologies to me and you, not the president of Mexico or the heads of the G20 nations or anyone overseas. Every politician smells blood on this guy, and it's his own. He's butchering the office of the presidency, and they know it. They're pushing, jockeying and shoving their ways forward to get their foothold in the presidency or to control Obama. He's a sinkhole of authority, and his only means of projecting anything is through the bureaucracy of the Federal government. He's dangerous, and the wake of his failures is creating enough turmoil by the competition to succeed him or control him that he's making those wannabes dangerous, too.
Wake up, man. More tea parties? Please. They're fine, but they're symbolic at best and self-defeating at worst. What happens tomorrow when all the tea party talk subsides in favor of whatever the identity and gender is going to be of Lindsay Lohan's next lover? What happens when the tea party-goers are yesterday's news? Think they can or will even try to create that kind of energy again? If so, when? Next month? Next year? Ha! Who's going to coalesce these farflung middle class family people? They're out here busting their humps to keep their food and shelter going and to fund Obama and Congress and the bipartisan pork projects that are going to ultimately save us.
They don't have time for another tea party. And, if they did, so what? They'll go out and ..... vote Republican. They'll go out and vote for some gentried politician who never worked a real job in his life except for the ones his family got him in connection with his Ivy League education or the ones he got elected to, someone who'll parrot the words they want to hear and then assume office and come face to face with .... incumbents in Congress!!!!
Seems to me that civil war is not a worse outcome than civil servitude. If something doesn't happen soon and drastically, that's what we're going to have. So, yeah, talk about secession. Talk about splitting up the Union. Do something toward that, I say.
Human government bears the same relation to hell as the church bears to heaven. (David Lipscomb, On Civil Government, 72).
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