Stay slim to save the planet? Fat Tax?

[MacUser]

Stay slim to save the planet
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNe ... 22&sp=true

"When it comes to food consumption, moving about in a heavy body is like driving around in a gas guzzler," and food production is a major source of greenhouse gases, researchers Phil Edwards and Ian Roberts wrote in their study, published in the International Journal of Epidemiology.

"We need to be doing a lot more to reverse the global trend toward fatness, and recognize it as a key factor in the battle to reduce (carbon) emissions and slow climate change," the British scientists said.

They estimated that each fat person is responsible for about one tonne of carbon dioxide emissions a year more on average than each thin person, adding up to an extra one billion tonnes of CO2 a year in a population of one billion overweight people.


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Now.. all you "Green" Chubby people are now in the climate chnage crosshairs. Let's see Global Warming equals.. TAXATION... basically. So is it fair to say that Fat people will now be taxed greater than a slim person?

This is for all you sympathizers that think liberal's green theology will ever be happy and stop. Wake up people.. reject the entire premise.

[EagerBeaver]

Linking a healthy lifestyle to global warming is a bit absurd.

Now on the subject of taxation, and I know you weren't going this direction with it MU...I honestly would be in support of an obesity tax. If people have the money to spend on the junk foods to make them gain weight and not work to work it off, they should be penalized imho. (that's good fodder for a debate right there )

[MacUser]

Eager,
Now you are going to get into trouble. How would you propose the tax be judged? By the extra pound?

Or would you just triple the cost of snickers?

[EagerBeaver]

Eager,
Now you are going to get into trouble. How would you propose the tax be judged? By the extra pound?

Or would you just triple the cost of snickers?

Snickers, definitely.

It would cost a ton to get dunked on by Patrick Chewing!

[Mike Vande]

I am reminded of a joke I heard once, wherein a person is seeking God on the great and weighty question, "what is meaning of life?", his in particular but also humanity in general.

After days of fasting and nights without sleep, desparately seeking God and pining for an answer, the heavens open with a peal of rolling of thunder and a flash of lightning, and a voice calls out from heaven,"What is it you want to ask, my child?" Enraptured, he bows his head in humble fear and say,"O Lord of Hosts, may I presume to ask you what is the purpose you created mankind for, and are we, especially me, living up to it?"
Without a pause the Lord says,"I created mankind because the plants need the carbon dioxide, and as long as you keep breathing, you're doing okay. Anything else?"

After that answer, the man decided he didn't really want to know anything else...

Plants NEED the carbon dioxide from people's breath, it's free of most pollutants and completely acceptable as part of God's design and plan for nature on earth. The problem with a lot of the rabid greenies' rantings is they don't accept man as a part of the ecosystem designed by God. There are a number of possible reasons for this, but I suspect it's because the majority of greenies don't beleive in a Divine plan for the ecology, or much of anything else.

There are obvious problems when mankind starts pumping chemicals and compounds into the air and water that aren't a part of God's design. When I was in the 2nd & 3rd grades, my family lived in Michigan. We went driving around various places and there was usually a river or lake nearby where we would stop for a picnic. I would always ask to go for a swim, but I was always told "no, the water here's polluted." The auto industry been ganking up the water around Detroit for years, and it made that sort of thing impossible. I still remember that, and I still thinik it's a shame that it ever happened and needs to cleaned up, and by the auto industry that made money off of polluting the water should bear the cost.

I agree with a lot of what is being said by ecology-minded people, Christian or otherwise. A loused-up planet doesn't honor God, and even if it's remediable, it ends up costing much more to clean up than what was earned by the proesses that loused it up. Also, being conscious of the amount of energy we use and trying to minimize it is a good thing for everybody. If folks spent less of their income on energy they are wasting and not getting any real benefit out of anyway, they would have more to spend on other things, like missions and evangelism, or church house maintenance, or even taking the family out for dinner so mama gets a night off.

America has really got to get over the idea we can use as much of anything as we want for whatever we want, andthat it is right to dispose of anything that breaks or we get tired of.

If I had my way, planned obsolescence would be be a crime with a life sentence. But then, if I had my way, Karaoke would be declared a hate crime...

[MacUser]

Without a pause the Lord says,"I created mankind because the plants need the carbon dioxide, and as long as you keep breathing, you're doing okay. Anything else?"

Mike, I laughed very hard.. thanks! I needed that.

Btw.. this is where we are getting confused on the difference between true conservation/recycling (good stewards etc) and the green theology of Global Warming (controlling basically every aspect of your life as this original post illustrates - business, food, travel, birth control etc etc). It's an elite European religion that has been adopted by our enlightened liberal elites and they seek to force this upon us and negate themselves from the same policies they burden us with.

Also.. the fact that we can Tax ourselves into being good stewards is just stinkin' thinkin' imho. Especially when the very cause of the hype, destruction and fear hasn't been proved yet. The world may actually be getting colder and we have seen a reduction in hurricanes since this began. In the end facts do not matter... as it just feels right to conserve as we all agree we need to... but just not handicap/demonize/tax the rest of our lives in the process.

It's a massive difference.

God Bless!

[MacUser]

Yet more headline stories about FAT people causing Global Warming!

Fatties cause global warming
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 387203.ece

Scientists warned that the increase in big-eaters means more food production — a major cause of CO2 gas emissions warming the planet.

Overweight people are also more likely to drive, adding to environmental damage.



Lard help us ... overweight must eat less for planet


..The scientists say providing extra grub for them to guzzle adds to carbon emissions that heat up the world, melting polar ice caps, raising sea levels and killing rain forests.


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This is just unreal. Like overweight people don't deal with enough trouble and anxiety already! Now they have to feel guilty for helping cause an imaginary global hoax.

To the reverse.. I say THESE GLobal Scientists are unhinged, demented and licking to many rain forrest frogs!

Beam me up Scotty! When are we going to wake up?

[Pastor Bill]

Linking a healthy lifestyle to global warming is a bit absurd.

Now on the subject of taxation, and I know you weren't going this direction with it MU...I honestly would be in support of an obesity tax. If people have the money to spend on the junk foods to make them gain weight and not work to work it off, they should be penalized imho. (that's good fodder for a debate right there )

That is assuming that all overweight people are that way due to junk food or overeating. I know some very thin people who eat alot more junk than I do, and I am overweight. My wife eats healthier than I ever do, but she's heavier than I am. She gained her weight when they put her on birth control pills when we first got married. (we were in college and were being responsible by not having children till we could support them).

I think your attitude on this is a little off. Knowing many who struggle with this on a daily basis, I can say it's not all as simple as the overeating you assume we all do.

[EagerBeaver]

Linking a healthy lifestyle to global warming is a bit absurd.

Now on the subject of taxation, and I know you weren't going this direction with it MU...I honestly would be in support of an obesity tax. If people have the money to spend on the junk foods to make them gain weight and not work to work it off, they should be penalized imho. (that's good fodder for a debate right there )

That is assuming that all overweight people are that way due to junk food or overeating. I know some very thin people who eat alot more junk than I do, and I am overweight. My wife eats healthier than I ever do, but she's heavier than I am. She gained her weight when they put her on birth control pills when we first got married. (we were in college and were being responsible by not having children till we could support them).

I think your attitude on this is a little off. Knowing many who struggle with this on a daily basis, I can say it's not all as simple as the overeating you assume we all do.

True, that's only part of the problem. I am aware of glandular problems and even mental problems that cause overweight problems. Yes, as you stated PB there are even medical things that make some people gain weight uncontrollably.

Now that being said, I would support taxes on things that would cause overweight people to inconvenience the general population...or maybe not even taxes but charge extra for things such as airplane seats (some airlines are already doing this), bus fare, etc. Not trying to make people pay for their problem but when it becomes an inconvenience to the general public it becomes everyone's problem. That's the perspective I'm coming from...

[A2JGirl]

Oh that would be great. What are they gonna do, charge by the inch and measure your backside? I think they should do that and put two of you skinny people in the same airline seat.

[MacUser]

Oh that would be great. What are they gonna do, charge by the inch and measure your backside? I think they should do that and put two of you skinny people in the same airline seat.

Ouch!

[Paully_44]

I just hope the powers that be never get the itch to charge on human gas. I would hate to be taxed on my natural methane emmissions. It would remove all the fun out saying "pull my finger".

[MacUser]

I just hope the powers that be never get the itch to charge on human gas. I would hate to be taxed on my natural methane emmissions. It would remove all the fun out saying "pull my finger".

Paully.. the good thing is that according to this story.. you are doing a GOOD thing with all the personal *ahew* pollution

Air pollution helps plants blunt climate change: study
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

Plant life -- especially tropical forests -- soak up a quarter of all the CO2 humans spew into the atmosphere, and thus plays a critical role in keeping climate change in check.

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So keep on pulling your finger. It's actually GOOD for the planet as God intended.

[MacUser]

I am aware of glandular problems and even mental problems that cause overweight problems. Yes, as you stated PB there are even medical things that make some people gain weight uncontrollably.

Tackling climate change is like trying to lose weight, Hillary Clinton says
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... -says.html

Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, has compared the challenge of fighting climate change to her own struggle to lose weight...

.."Often times when you face such an overwhelming challenge as global climate change, it can be somewhat daunting - it's kind of like trying to lose weight, which I know something about," she said to laughter.



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SO what is her problem? If SHE can't lose the weight how are we mere mortals going to stop Global Warming? Especially when it's not even going on!

[MacUser]

Report: Democrats Refuse to Allow Skeptic to Testify Alongside Gore At Congressional Hearing
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/429/Repor ... al-Hearing

Washington, DC -- UK's Lord Christopher Monckton, a former science advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, claimed House Democrats have refused to allow him to appear alongside former Vice President Al Gore at a high profile global warming hearing on Friday April 24, 2009 at 10am in Washington. Monckton told Climate Depot that the Democrats rescinded his scheduled joint appearance at the House Energy and Commerce hearing on Friday. Monckton said he was informed that he would not be allowed to testify alongside Gore when his plane landed from England Thursday afternoon.

“The House Democrats don't want Gore humiliated, so they slammed the door of the Capitol in my face,” Monckton told Climate Depot in an exclusive interview. “They are cowards.”

According to Monckton, Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), Ranking Member on the Energy & Commerce Committee, had invited him to go head to head with Gore and testify at the hearing on Capitol Hill Friday. But Monckton now says that when his airplane from London landed in the U.S. on Thursday, he was informed that the former Vice-President had “chickened out” and there would be no joint appearance.

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Open Debate is always good and the Dems are leading the way, eh?