I made a change

[Brian]

I felt the need to delete and change what I had posted because I didnt want someones private words to remain in the open when they never should have been in the first place. At times I find myself jumping the gun and acting before I think it through. Sorry to you guys who replied to me but I am sure you'll understand why I made the change. Thank you

[Dr. Ron]

Brian, no need for forgiveness here.

No problem. Tim was my friend too. He doesn't like that I don't like liberalism. He thinks me stupid that I can't, won't , don't separate a man from his beliefs. I dislike Obama on the basis of abortion and gay rights. Nothing else he does affects me any more than any other president.

I still love Tim. I wish him well, but he does have some serious issues to deal with. I am not one of them.

You did well, my son. Not to worry.

[MacUser]

Brain,
It's going to be ok. Tim is just doing some extreme fighting the calling of God. I predicted it. You heard it here first.

He's trying to totally negate the calling he feels on his heart by inviting in all the evil and negating personal responsibility. He's walking in front of a speeding bus.. making it detour or stop.. crying foul.. when it's all his fault. Any harm that has been caused to Tim is a result of Tim and Tim only.

As long as Tim breaths.. it is still hope... but this is a great example of heeding the wisdom of others over you in these situations. You were warned.. but yet failed to listen. Learning the hard way is always hard.

Keep loving Tim, keep talking to Tim.. we are all still his friend.. YET we REFUSE to let his "agenda" succeed at harming one thing.

God Bless.

[dolfan]

Brian, I didn't read all that. It's because I think we all know your personality well enough to know that you wouldn't do anything malicious or underhanded on purpose or anything more than anything anyone else here might do in a moment of inattention or poor judgment. In other words, been there, done that.

For PG, the man is my friend and for all current intents and purposes, my pastor. I've met him, eaten with him, and talked with him and some of his family. He's as solid a citizen as I know, and I trust him and I respect him and unless I'm convinced otherwise, he's going to get every benefit of any doubt from me on darn near anything.

For Tim, I consider him a friend. I haven't met him, I haven't talked with him, but we've gone round on here civilly and we've had a few PM's and emails along the way and he's always been nice to me. I can't think of anytime he hasn't been. I hope MacUser is right, frankly. Shoot, I hope all that he hopes for Tim E happens for me, too!! Those are some very good hopes and convictions for each one of us.

Whatever the disputes between PG and Tim Elston, they've been made viewable here and each of us is free to draw his own conclusions. I suspect that each time that the fire has been drawn to the open board that there's a desire that we all examine it and state a view on how it got here and on the merits of it. I've done that already on the Lee question thread where this latest spat has erupted. I'll stand on that and on the strength of my friendship.

[Pastor Gary]

Let me start by saying what is done is done, and --even though I would have preferred that things worked out with a Rodney King "can't-we-all-get-along" ending, it didn't.

It might be appropriate at this point to have a brief English lesson: The word "PRIVATE" in the "Private Message" function is meant to suggest that things said there are a two-way (only) conversation. I didn't say what I did about Tim Elston for public consumption because I am not the kind of person he believes me to be, and I had no desire to share my private thoughts about his spiritual condition in a way that would embarrass him before the world.

For the record (since it is out here now) - I don't back down from what I said to you in that Private, now public, Message. Tim's fight is not with me, it is with God. He has a list of perceived wrongs against me, and I have invited him to air his grievances so I could face my accuser and his accusations and deal with them one by one. As others here will tell you, I have apologized and asked for forgiveness when I have been wrong many times over the years, but I have no desire to issue some kind of blanket, insincere "Sorry if I have wronged you" courtesy apology for unspecified wrongs. I debunked the one he alluded to (the mistreatment of Phil Hoover) and feel confident that most of the others are of the same ilk... but since another Admin has chosen to impose a ban upon him, it is unfair to conduct a one-sided debate in his absence.

There is little point in mediation, as we have gone to our separate corners more times than I can remember, sometimes for years, only to have the door reopened always by Tim Elston seeking to return. Funny, when he asks for permission to return to Jude2 there is nary a syllable of mention of how evil I am.

You are a nice man, Brian, and a peacemaker; that's a good thing. But I was trying to keep you from being sucked into the vortex of all the smooth flattery, endless compliments, and the usual modus operandi of these kinds of disputes.

This, too, shall pass.

[MacUser]

sucked into the vortex

A certain song comes to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2iv_E-Fn9E

[Brian]

Thank you guys for going easy on me and seeing my true intent to help. I am grateful to be amongst friends.

Pastor Gary, I humbly recieve my just chastisement and have quickly learned from my blunder. Again, I am truly sorry.

I also appoligize to Tim Eston (even in his absence) because it is an unfair fight to exspose things he has said without him being able to defend himself. I still would like to be his friend, I guess i am just a friendly guy.

Thanks again for your understanding.

[one love]

So is Tim Banned now?


I hope that is not so!!!!!! Brian I believe you were very sincere in your efforts and that is why I like ya so much but yeah I expect ALL my private messages to be "Private"
However i know why you did it. I feel as you I wanted this thing to be made right and not a "Tim verse everyone else"

I know and understand everything you all are saying about Tim but I will love him and be a friend for as long as he is a friend to me, even then I would consider him a friend. I really did not want him banned. Even when we disagree he made things interesting.

I again do not know all the past because I was not here and I dont agree with anyone being insulted ( I do not allow it on our site period, it can cause hurt and cause so much damage).
As I have said I have been on the other side here as well and it is not pleasant. ( I am not playing the victim at ALL but we all claim to be Christians and I have been ripped apart and nobody made it a issue at all.....except for one or two) It places you on the defensive mode

I have always tried to be loving , caring and a friend/Brother in Christ and have NEVER tried to insult anyone or disrespect them.

So is he permanently banned??? If Tim gets saved that would be great, if he does not any time soon, I still love him.

PG I am not understating whatever was said to you in anyway I am just thinking of Tim. I told you it is horrible to be tagged teamed on by many for your beliefs. He does not claim to be a christian and he is on the other side of the political field as many of us here, so when he has posted it seems everyone gets angry......


Again PG knows I love him as well and I am not taking a side at all, I would help PG in anyway I could if he had a need and I believe he knows that to be true.

Thank you Brian for being so kind heart-ed !