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Postby Brian » May 5th, 2009, 5:35 am

History teacher violated the First Amendment

Spradlin has said, however, that Corbett made the remark about creationism during a classroom discussion about a 1993 case in which a former Capistrano Valley High science teacher sued the school district because it required instruction in evolution.

Spradlin has said Corbett was simply expressing his own opinion that the former teacher shouldn't have presented his religious views to students.


What I don't get is why the teacher/school/government usually think it perfectly fine to "slander and belittle" religious views (specifially christian) but the moment someone support or endorses religion (specifially christian) they cry fowl? Neutrallity of religion DOES NOT mean anti-religion.
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Postby teach » May 5th, 2009, 6:09 am

well, I am thankful, but surprised he won the case.

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Postby DeWayneTN » May 5th, 2009, 6:09 am

When I was a freshman in high school, one teacher told our class "I hope I don't offend you but most of what you consider to be Old Testament is all a bunch of fairy tales." Ever since then, I've regretting not saying anything. You can bet the next time a teacher attacked Christianity they knew exactly where I stood.
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Postby bibleguy » May 5th, 2009, 6:28 am

When I was in school, I kept the waters muddy. During the Social Studies lessons (and of course the other classes) I was pretty vocal about my positions, especially about Creation.

Now, the dilemma: Test time. Do I answer "by the book," or "by the Book?"

What I decided was: a) I am trying to get good grades and get outta school, b) everybody in class knows exactly where I stand. So I used the lesson time in class to voice my opinion, but when the test came, and the question said, "How many million/billion/trillion years ago did amoebas spring from the mud and invent fire?" I said "6 (or 12 or whatever)" The test was not about real facts, but whether or not you are able to pay attention in class, and echo the creative writing in the textbook.

I did not see it as hypocritcal then, nor do I now. The teachers knew that I was giving them the answers that the test required and THE answers.
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Postby Shellie » May 5th, 2009, 6:34 am

A friend of mine's daughter faced this dilemma with the test question as well. She was a bright girl working on a scholarship.

I told her to write, "According to our text book............... However, according to the Bible.............." She filled in the rest.

It could not be marked wrong because the "right" answer had been given according to the answer key.

It worked and the teacher applauded her answer.
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Postby Brian » May 5th, 2009, 6:36 am

bibleguy wrote:When I was in school, I kept the waters muddy. During the Social Studies lessons (and of course the other classes) I was pretty vocal about my positions, especially about Creation.

Now, the dilemma: Test time. Do I answer "by the book," or "by the Book?"

What I decided was: a) I am trying to get good grades and get outta school, b) everybody in class knows exactly where I stand. So I used the lesson time in class to voice my opinion, but when the test came, and the question said, "How many million/billion/trillion years ago did amoebas spring from the mud and invent fire?" I said "6 (or 12 or whatever)" The test was not about real facts, but whether or not you are able to pay attention in class, and echo the creative writing in the textbook.

I did not see it as hypocritcal then, nor do I now. The teachers knew that I was giving them the answers that the test required and THE answers.


Absolutely. No conflick of instrest. You are tested on the cirriculum offered in that particular class. Not necessarily whether or not you agree with it. :wink:
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Postby Pastor Bill » May 5th, 2009, 6:53 am

Shellie wrote:A friend of mine's daughter faced this dilemma with the test question as well. She was a bright girl working on a scholarship.

I told her to write, "According to our text book............... However, according to the Bible.............." She filled in the rest.

It could not be marked wrong because the "right" answer had been given according to the answer key.

It worked and the teacher applauded her answer.


That's almost what I did, I just changed the questions, including "according to the THEORY of evolution..." or other such things in a way to give the answer they were looking for without compromising my personal beliefs.
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Postby PastorDaniel » May 5th, 2009, 7:05 am

Brian wrote:
bibleguy wrote:When I was in school, I kept the waters muddy. During the Social Studies lessons (and of course the other classes) I was pretty vocal about my positions, especially about Creation.

Now, the dilemma: Test time. Do I answer "by the book," or "by the Book?"

What I decided was: a) I am trying to get good grades and get outta school, b) everybody in class knows exactly where I stand. So I used the lesson time in class to voice my opinion, but when the test came, and the question said, "How many million/billion/trillion years ago did amoebas spring from the mud and invent fire?" I said "6 (or 12 or whatever)" The test was not about real facts, but whether or not you are able to pay attention in class, and echo the creative writing in the textbook.

I did not see it as hypocritcal then, nor do I now. The teachers knew that I was giving them the answers that the test required and THE answers.


Absolutely. No conflick of instrest. You are tested on the cirriculum offered in that particular class. Not necessarily whether or not you agree with it. :wink:


I agree...true scholarship consists of granting an equal voice to each opinion and issue...scholarship has never meant that you agree with an opposing viewpoint.
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Postby RamboPreacher » May 5th, 2009, 12:18 pm

PastorDaniel wrote:...
I agree...true scholarship consists of granting an equal voice to each opinion and issue...scholarship has never meant that you agree with an opposing viewpoint.
but therein lies the challenge.

"academia" says that ID is not science, and therefor does NOT need equal voice. the belittling and look-down-the-nose attitudes of many of the anti-religious (generally speaking referred to as academia in the secular sense) - is a horribly intimidating factor for children in public (and other) schools.
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