United Pentecostal Church

soulsearcher · Postby **soulsearcher** » May 28th, 2009, 3:13 am

I know one thing about them... their singers and musicians can blow like kingdom come!

dolfan · Postby **dolfan** » May 28th, 2009, 4:11 am

Also,you do not join the church,if you attend 2 or 3 times you are their member and they will write you letters asking that you pay your tithes.

What's that, common law church membership?? :lol:

Ohhhh. Well. Corny lawyer joke, sorry.

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » May 28th, 2009, 6:06 am

Why do we take such offense to the word ignorant when we have the Bible discussions? It's not as bad as we make it out to be. It points to the fact or opinion that someone is ignoring the truth or in this case the Word of God. If one looks to the world, a dictionary, a subjective experience and that trumps the Word then that person is ignorant. They are ignoring what the Lord says about the subject.

paul · Postby **paul** » May 28th, 2009, 6:10 am

Depends on the Spirit in which the word is being used.

If the word is being used to define a lack of knowledge. No problem.

If the word is used to associate you with an Idiot, fool, stupid. Then a problem.

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » May 28th, 2009, 7:21 am

Perception must apply Paul!

Of course if one is ignoring the Word and basing beliefs on experience and such instead then being called ignorant probably is what one wants to hear but nevertheless it would apply. It is not the same as calling one an idiot or so forth.

Ignoring the Word is no small thing. God once let folks slide but now calls all men to repentance.

A2JGirl · Postby **A2JGirl** » May 28th, 2009, 8:03 am

Ignore is to see it and avoid it.

Ignorant is lack of knowledge.

A2JGirl · Postby **A2JGirl** » May 28th, 2009, 8:13 am

I do have serious issue with someone placing a requirement on salvation that is not biblical. I think a person can be a saved UPC member, but to look at someone else and say, you don't speak in tongues so you aren't saved, is HORRIBLE. Where does that leave a large part of the Christian world?

A2JGirl · Postby **A2JGirl** » May 28th, 2009, 8:32 am

Not to mention the kind of pressure that must put on a convert to speak in tongues. I wonder how much of it is really legit.

darylscook · Postby **darylscook** » May 28th, 2009, 8:59 am

Full Quiver wrote:Why do we take such offense to the word ignorant when we have the Bible discussions? It's not as bad as we make it out to be. It points to the fact or opinion that someone is ignoring the truth or in this case the Word of God. If one looks to the world, a dictionary, a subjective experience and that trumps the Word then that person is ignorant. They are ignoring what the Lord says about the subject.

Danny, unfortunately, you're ignorant of the definition of ignorant. If someone is ignoring the truth or ignoring the Word of God that is FAR from ignorant. One is ignorant when he or she does not KNOW a subject or area of knowledge.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ignorant

BTW you are correct that the term has become accepted as much more degrading that it really is.

Daryl

sweetpea · Postby **sweetpea** » May 28th, 2009, 10:15 am

Dolfan you be nice to me.Some people think the only thing I can say is in a three word sentence,LOL

I don't know what they call it common law ,proxy member or what ever,but my friend said that is how they do .I know they will write and ask for your tithes,just like they were sending a bill out each month.

I believe my grandmother is in heaven but she was a church hopper,she started out as Baptist,then AOG,COGOP,and then wound up as Jesus Only Pentecostal. She left the COGOP,when they would not let her daughter become a member,because of Divorce and Remarriage.. I have never been able to understand why they considered someone a christian but would not let them join COGOP.I am so glad this has changed.

EagerBeaver · Postby **EagerBeaver** » May 28th, 2009, 11:15 am

A2JGirl wrote:Not to mention the kind of pressure that must put on a convert to speak in tongues. I wonder how much of it is really legit.

About as much of mine that were legit in my church camp days.

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » May 28th, 2009, 11:28 am

EagerBeaver wrote:
A2JGirl wrote:Not to mention the kind of pressure that must put on a convert to speak in tongues. I wonder how much of it is really legit.

About as much of mine that were legit in my church camp days.

This is just for you, Beav.

They seem legit to me....... :roll:

EagerBeaver · Postby **EagerBeaver** » May 28th, 2009, 12:01 pm

Gerald Creasy wrote:
EagerBeaver wrote:
A2JGirl wrote:Not to mention the kind of pressure that must put on a convert to speak in tongues. I wonder how much of it is really legit.

About as much of mine that were legit in my church camp days.

This is just for you, Beav.

They seem legit to me.......

Hahahhahaha, I've seen that and I still laugh every single time.

About my comment above, I didn't speak in tongues in jest. I genuinely wanted the Lord to move so bad that I forced the issue a bit. Still didn't make the tongues any more real, but camp staff bought it hook, line and sinker and I thought I had a good thing going.

The intent didn't justify the actions though. I explained it in a post a few months ago on my website...

PastorDaniel · Postby **PastorDaniel** » May 28th, 2009, 2:40 pm

A2JGirl wrote:I knew a girl, 16 or 17 at the time, who was expelled from our Free Will Baptist church's christian school for telling the kindergartners that they weren't saved if they didn't speak in tongues. Her father pastored the local UPC church.

It is also my understanding that they all teach and preach the same thing.... literally. Each service is handed down by the higher ups, exactly what will be taught and preached.

This is quite the opposite...I was in the UPC for 8 years....a licensed UPC minister and pastored two UPC churches....you'll hardly find one that agrees with the other....many of them think they are the only church in town...even if there is another UPC down the street....they do have their fundamental doctrines that they are supposed to agree to....

You'll find that their statement of faith is very similar to other pentecostal churches...but they do reject the Trinity...but mainly in word and semantics...they do believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost....but that these 3 are 1.

They take Acts 2:38 literal and baptize only in the name of Jesus...they believe that this is the ful-fillment of Matt 28:19...be baptized in the NAME (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. And they take literally that 1st chapter of Matthew where Jesus is proclaimed as Emmanuel...God with Us...and the many other references that Jesus is God. We as COG, COGOP, Pentecostal, etc....agree that Jesus is God in the Flesh and wouldn't argue with them about that....and they believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost...so alot of it is semantics...

The problem is that many of them are very legalistic and believe that you have to believe exactly as they do...(much like many old-time COGOP)

I will say that they love Jesus with a passion and alot of them are really good Christians and will be in heaven with other Christians...

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » May 28th, 2009, 4:26 pm

Wade Phillips preached the subject of the trinity and God in depth during his days with International HQ. I remember him stating that he had been accused of believing "Jesus only". I can also remember him stating his belief that all three persons of God are one and dwell within us. In other words, he stated that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost all dwell within our hearts as the essence of God. I'm not sure that I completely understand his theology of God, but I never was able to disagree with his conclusions.

pa

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