United Pentecostal Church

[pastorables]

3) As is so often his wont, Pastor Ables has brought in subjective experience with individuals to answer the question of the whole

Welcome back Gerald and thanks for the compliment, I think. You would twist a pretzel to further your agenda, but I still love you.

Go back and read my post again. I made one statement about a preacher who prayed the prayer of faith for healing over my mother, and you framed your entire statement concerning my response around that.

The main gist of my post was concerning the true Christian fellowship I've had with brothers and sisters within the UPC and other "Jesus only" churches. If that's subjective... so be it.

Again, welcome back.

pa

[Pastor Gary]

The main gist of my post was concerning the true Christian fellowship I've had with brothers and sisters within the UPC and other "Jesus only" churches. If that's subjective... so be it.

I have not been in this thread, but "YES" that is subjective.

[Gerald Creasy]

3) As is so often his wont, Pastor Ables has brought in subjective experience with individuals to answer the question of the whole

Welcome back Gerald and thanks for the compliment, I think. You would twist a pretzel to further your agenda, but I still love you.

Agenda?

Go back and read my post again. I made one statement about a preacher who prayed the prayer of faith for healing over my mother, and you framed your entire statement concerning my response around that.

The main gist of my post was concerning the true Christian fellowship I've had with brothers and sisters within the UPC and other "Jesus only" churches. If that's subjective... so be it.

Again, welcome back.

Brother I question your reading skills. I did not frame my response around healing only but as you have said the fellowship you have now twice mentioned as well.

So The original question was is "UPC a cult?"

You respond with a comment of healing and fellowship

There were people who claimed Jim Jones healed and they must certainly have had fellowship enough that hundreds would relocate to South America.

SO subjective experience can NOT vouch for the veracity or cult status of an organization.

This is sound reasoning and only "twists a pretzel" with those who refuse to think.

And I love you to else I would leave you to wallow.


PS Where are the flags in you signature picture, Pastorables?

WHERE ARE THE FLAGS?

[RamboPreacher]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult

cult
  /kʌlt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhlt] Show IPA
–noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
–adjective
9. of or pertaining to a cult.
10. of, for, or attracting a small group of devotees: a cult movie.
Origin:
1610–20; < L cultus habitation, tilling, refinement, worship, equiv. to cul-, var. s. of colere to inhabit, till, worship + -tus suffix of v. action

COGOP is a cult, Judaism, is a cult, Christianity is a cult, a football team is a cult, the chess club at high school is a cult.

The use of the word "cult" should not be used necessarily in a negative context in ALL cases, as if it is a "bad word" (the word "evolution" is also used that way - aughghghghgh!!)

[pastorables]

Brother I question your reading skills. I did not frame my response around healing only but as you have said the fellowship you have now twice mentioned as well.

That's just my point. How do you determine if another is a Christian? You can't see their heart. You do your best to judge that by our earthly means of association with other professing believers - Christian fellowship. I believe the biblical criteria is first to recognize the fruit of the Spirit and in the New Testament certain signs, "speaking in other tongues" namely, was often listed as one of the common denominators. Of course, we have to be careful with that one don't we?

pa

PS Where are the flags in you signature picture, Pastorables?

WHERE ARE THE FLAGS?

It's one of those "politically correct" renditions of history.

[pastorables]

The main gist of my post was concerning the true Christian fellowship I've had with brothers and sisters within the UPC and other "Jesus only" churches. If that's subjective... so be it.

I have not been in this thread, but "YES" that is subjective.

See my response to Gerald. Mahalo.

[Gerald Creasy]

Brother I question your reading skills. I did not frame my response around healing only but as you have said the fellowship you have now twice mentioned as well.

That's just my point. How do you determine if another is a Christian? You can't see their heart. You do your best to judge that by our earthly means of association with other professing believers - Christian fellowship. I believe the biblical criteria is first to recognize the fruit of the Spirit and in the New Testament certain signs, "speaking in other tongues" namely, was often listed as one of the common denominators. Of course, we have to be careful with that one don't we?

pa

1) BUt that whether they were at heart a Christian wasnt the question, was it?

2) There is much more qualifications than fellowship and nicey nicey.
Mormons have fellowship and are nice scrubbed clean looking people, but are they Christian if they believe Jesus and Satan are Brothers?

[A2JGirl]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult

cult
  /kʌlt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhlt] Show IPA
–noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
–adjective
9. of or pertaining to a cult.
10. of, for, or attracting a small group of devotees: a cult movie.
Origin:
1610–20; < L cultus habitation, tilling, refinement, worship, equiv. to cul-, var. s. of colere to inhabit, till, worship + -tus suffix of v. action

COGOP is a cult, Judaism, is a cult, Christianity is a cult, a football team is a cult, the chess club at high school is a cult.

The use of the word "cult" should not be used necessarily in a negative context in ALL cases, as if it is a "bad word" (the word "evolution" is also used that way - aughghghghgh!!)

I see what you're saying. Recently I was talking about the definition of a cult with someone, and they pulled out the dictionary. I agree that it's strange how certain words seem to always bring up a negative connotation. But in this instance I said, no no no, I don't want the dictionary definition of a cult. To a Christian, it's my understanding (again, only to my understanding, I have been wrong before, and Pastor Daniel proved that) that the definition of a cult is a religious group that elevates the words of a man above the Word of God.

[PastorDaniel]

I have been wrong before, and Pastor Daniel proved that) that the definition of a cult is a religious group that elevates the words of a man above the Word of God.

AJ2Girl....I wasn't trying to prove you wrong....I was only stating my personal experience....Hope I didn't offend you...that was not the intention...

[A2JGirl]

I have been wrong before, and Pastor Daniel proved that) that the definition of a cult is a religious group that elevates the words of a man above the Word of God.

AJ2Girl....I wasn't trying to prove you wrong....I was only stating my personal experience....Hope I didn't offend you...that was not the intention...

Oh no not at all! I'm glad you set me straight. I got my info from someone in a different Oneness organization. That's why I said, to my understanding. I always want someone to tell me if I don't have my facts straight. I didn't mean to imply that I was sore at you, just recognizing. Thanks for making sure.

[kurt73]

I have been wrong before, and Pastor Daniel proved that) that the definition of a cult is a religious group that elevates the words of a man above the Word of God.

AJ2Girl....I wasn't trying to prove you wrong....I was only stating my personal experience....Hope I didn't offend you...that was not the intention...

Pastor Daniel, don't post your personal experience or you will be ignorant like me according to some

RamboPreacher, do not use a dictionary to define words, I used other books beside the bible and got blasted for it

[Gerald Creasy]

Pastor Daniel, don't post your personal experience or you will be ignorant like me according to some

RamboPreacher, do not use a dictionary to define words, I used other books beside the bible and got blasted for it

Your moving quickly from ignroant to idiotic.

You were never Blasted for anything.

[kurt73]

Pastor Daniel, don't post your personal experience or you will be ignorant like me according to some

RamboPreacher, do not use a dictionary to define words, I used other books beside the bible and got blasted for it

Your moving quickly from ignroant to idiotic.

You were never Blasted for anything.

OK TGIF

[RamboPreacher]

...
I see what you're saying. Recently I was talking about the definition of a cult with someone, and they pulled out the dictionary. I agree that it's strange how certain words seem to always bring up a negative connotation. But in this instance I said, no no no, I don't want the dictionary definition of a cult. To a Christian, it's my understanding (again, only to my understanding, I have been wrong before, and Pastor Daniel proved that) that the definition of a cult is a religious group that elevates the words of a man above the Word of God.

actually - in the academy and scholarly circles, the word cult is used for any religious group, it is never used in a negative context. it is only "Christianese" - that has "demonized" the word.