Billy Graham "jumps the shark"

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » June 1st, 2009, 10:36 am

Billy Graham Denies the Gospel on camera

Apparantly you don't even NEED Jesus.

Above video has a title I would not have chosen.

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » June 1st, 2009, 11:04 am

Zowie... I don't think that the words are matching up with the lip movements? Could this not be a crazy remix?

Wild tho... ha!

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » June 1st, 2009, 11:53 am

MacUser wrote:Zowie... I don't think that the words are matching up with the lip movements? Could this not be a crazy remix?

Wild tho... ha!

The audio track is out of sync.

one love · Postby **one love** » June 1st, 2009, 1:32 pm

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » June 1st, 2009, 3:30 pm

interesting.
would like to see that with an actual synced audio track, as well as confirmation of script, AND full context.

one-off shots can happen to anyone.

PastorDaniel · Postby **PastorDaniel** » June 1st, 2009, 3:51 pm

I'd have to see that live...it'll take more than a tricked out youtube video for me to buy something like that...

DeWayneTN · Postby **DeWayneTN** » June 1st, 2009, 4:16 pm

His ministry's statement of faith:

http://www.billygraham.org/StatementOfFaith.asp

Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary. He led a sinless life, took on Himself all our sins, died and rose again, and is seated at the right hand of the Father as our mediator and advocate.
• That all men everywhere are lost and face the judgment of God, and need to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ through His shed blood on the cross.

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » June 1st, 2009, 8:29 pm

MacUser wrote:Zowie... I don't think that the words are matching up with the lip movements? Could this not be a crazy remix?

Wild tho... ha!

Precisely. At least half the videos I've viewed attempting to damage various ministries are out of sync (appearance of dubbed) as well. One needs clear evidence in these matters, especially with someone as reputable as Billy Graham.

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Pastor Bill · Postby **Pastor Bill** » June 2nd, 2009, 3:14 am

It's really distracting with the audio out of sync, and is probably dubbed, but this also in context could be much different than what it's being portrayed, he did say that people were "Coming out" of all these other religions who had been clinging to the only light they could see. I don't have a problem with that statement, Christ has always drawn people out of false religion and into a full understanding of Himself and Salvation through his blood.

The man's ministry stands on much more than what this one clip, possibly dubbed and out of context may show.

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » June 2nd, 2009, 3:18 am

For the sake of discussion:

ASSUMING that the quote stands on it's own, is what is said unacceptable for those who preach the gospel?

Pastor Bill · Postby **Pastor Bill** » June 2nd, 2009, 3:48 am

honestly the words coming out stick in my mind more than anything, and yes I do agree that the Spirit is drawing people out of all beliefs and religious systems (even some religious Christians) into the truth of a relationship with Christ.

In that I don't have a problem with what he said. I do believe much could be read between the lines, and if you're looking for it this could come across as universalism, but considering the source, that's not my first reaction to it.

one love · Postby **one love** » June 2nd, 2009, 6:38 am

Pastor Bill wrote:honestly the words coming out stick in my mind more than anything, and yes I do agree that the Spirit is drawing people out of all beliefs and religious systems (even some religious Christians) into the truth of a relationship with Christ.

In that I don't have a problem with what he said. I do believe much could be read between the lines, and if you're looking for it this could come across as universalism, but considering the source, that's not my first reaction to it.

Bill did he not say many are a part of the body and MAY NOT EVEN KNOW JESUS NAME?

Pastor Bill · Postby **Pastor Bill** » June 2nd, 2009, 7:25 am

If he did I didn't hear that part, it was hard to hear especially trying to read lips and see if it was matching up. I understood it that Christ was calling some that didn't even know his name, NOT that they never would.

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » June 2nd, 2009, 11:57 am

Gerald Creasy wrote:For the sake of discussion:

ASSUMING that the quote stands on it's own, is what is said unacceptable for those who preach the gospel?

maybe not, if there was specific context in reference to Paul's teaching on general revelation (no scripture/profession of the Gospel available).

rough_rider · Postby **rough_rider** » June 2nd, 2009, 2:01 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sow0gfXXHGY :cry:

If you don't want to listen to the whole piece, try the 3:38 mark.

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