We're not a Christian nation, but we could be a Muslim one

[dolfan]

Okay, I'm going to pretend confusion here just to stoke a discussion. I know full well what Obama's doing: he's lying. He's grandstanding. He's just saying stuff that sounds good to tickle ears, etc. Really, he's just trying to rule the world, and why don't we just see that and play along, right?

But, let me throw this around.

In Turkey in April, Obama said:

One of the great strengths of the United States, is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation.

In Saudi Arabia in June he said:

And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world...

So, am I to conclude then that this positive element of the extent of our Muslim population (positive for Obama, that is) makes us practically a "Muslim country", but the very large Christian population is what makes us a secular country? Is that it? And, were it not for the Christians and Jews, the rest of America would just be subsumed into one of the world's largest Muslim countries? Hmm. Or, I could just wait and let the nuance and spin meisters TELL me what he meant instead of just taking him at his words. Riiiiight.

He then goes to Saudi Arabia and says this:

I have come here to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world: one based on mutual interest and mutual respect and one based on the truth and America and Islam are not exclusive, and need not be in competition. ... Instead, they overlap, and share common principles -- principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

So, now the U.S. and Islam share common principles and overlap. First, why is this government sharing common principles with ANY religious faith? (This is the danger you get from Roy Moore to Barack Obama --- pedagoguing religion, co-opting it for government and political power). The principles of the U.S. government are expressed by the law, not Islam. Islam admits of only one law -- itself. If our nation's principle is based on law, and if it is shared with Islam, then it seems to me that Obama's position is that Americanism equals Islam.

And, let's say for the sake of argument that Obama is not REALLY saying America has no non-Muslim religious principle. Let us say that America is inherently religious socially if not politically. Lots of folks believe that's true and would characterize us that way, including people here and even, I suppose, the President. Then, which of these principles of Islam do the principles of America overlap:

1. Kidnapping journalists and sawing off their heads.
2. Punishing criminals without due process of law.
3. Killing all who refuse to accept Islam.
4. Waging war on all those who refuse to accept Islam.
5. Believing, on penalty of death for rejecting, Mohammed as the Prophet of God.
6. Worshipping a pedophile troublemaker.

Are we going to just roll over and follow sharia law, now? Is that the way to patch things up with the bloodthristy savages Obama's trying to get money fr, -er, uh, trying to reach out to? Hm? Victoria's Secret will soon be selling floor length burqas. Internet users will soon be given about 10 options for surfing, and the new prefix for the internet will probably al-al-al instead of www; three of the channels will be al-Jazeera, one will be CNN and the rest will show reruns of Clean Minaret with Niecy Nash in burqa from Victoria's Secret.

[one love]

Dolfan I woke up this morning and heard his speech and it just made me sick

[Mike Vande]

Victoria's Secret will soon be selling floor length burqas.

...and next year, there'll wet burqa contests in Fort Lauderdale, Padre Island, and all the other spring break party locations...hey, maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing...

[MacUser]

Good points.