comparing Luke 10:18 with John

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » June 22nd, 2009, 4:36 am

Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

In a previous thread it was said that OFTEN the Holy Ghost appeared as a dove, a bird/foul. The above verse in John was later referenced but the subject was avoided by the original author for the most part when attention was drawn to the untruth.

Genesis teaches us that we are created in the likeness of God but are we exactly "like" HIM? I argued that as a dove descends so did the Holy Ghost descend upon Jesus that day and that a physical dove did not light/land upon the Lamb of God after HIS baptismal.

I point out here that Jesus testifies of seeing Satan fall from heaven or being cast out of heaven and doing so as lightning. I ask then was Satan a bolt of lightning? Does he often appear as lightning in the sky? Are folks that are struck by lightning actually targets of Satan? Should we be very afraid when a thunderstorm pops up because Satan is near? Everytime it lightnings is Satan being repeatedly cast from heaven? Is a t-storm actually war taking place in heaven?

:lol:

beckrl · Postby **beckrl** » June 22nd, 2009, 6:38 am

I think it's a way to describe something that happened, "adjectives"
It's raining outside like cats and dogs :lol:

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » June 22nd, 2009, 8:33 am

exactly

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » June 22nd, 2009, 2:17 pm

Full Quiver wrote:
In a previous thread it was said that OFTEN the Holy Ghost appeared as a dove, a bird/foul. The above verse in John was later referenced but the subject was avoided by the original author for the most part when attention was drawn to the untruth.

Are you going through your second childhood?

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » June 22nd, 2009, 2:23 pm

Full Quiver wrote:
I argued that as a dove descends so did the Holy Ghost descend upon Jesus that day and that a physical dove did not light/land upon the Lamb of God after HIS baptismal.

It's time to change the universal, time honored symbolism for the Holy Ghost. No more dove and no more fire. It would be wrong to mislead anyone into thinking the Holy Ghost is associated in anyway with a dove or fire.

For me, I still believe the Holy Ghost can appear at any time as he so desires.

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » June 22nd, 2009, 5:54 pm

Full Quiver wrote:Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Luke 3:22 (International Version) And the Holy Spirit descended on him, appearing in the form of a dove. Then a voice came from heaven, saying, "You are my Son, whom I love. I am pleased with you!"

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » June 23rd, 2009, 5:12 am

Do as you wish Pastor Ables but I think we should try our best not to add to the Word. And yes I am going through my second childhood. My first was a child of my physical parents and now I am a child of the King and as with my parents I try to listen carefully to what they said and not twist what they said to my own destruction. :wink:

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » June 23rd, 2009, 4:48 pm

Full Quiver wrote:Do as you wish Pastor Ables

Seriously, Danny, you are making too big of an issue of this. There are other versions of the Bible, including the New International, that interpret Luke 3:22 to be "the form of a dove". Neither of us truly know. We do our best to understand the scripture according to the light we have received. I have always been of the understanding that one of the prominent forms of the Holy Spirit is that of a heavenly dove.

So if not a dove, and not fire? What is your belief concerning the manifested form of God's Spirit?

pa

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » June 25th, 2009, 7:25 am

Why does He have to appear visibly PA? He is a spirit that wants to dwell within God's children. I don't want a bird entering me at any time. What is the difference in a "heavenly dove" and a dove like the one that hit my windshield the other day?

People are looking for fantasy pastor and we should not play into that. God is not a part of some fantasia but His Word is SURE and it means one thing or another and if you have to reach to an alternative version to try and prove your point then I find that suspicious. In another thread you criticize movies for having a gay agenda but then you quote the NIV. Care to compare the NIV with the KJV while discussing homosexuality?

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » June 25th, 2009, 9:41 am

Humm.. so is God supernatural or not? Is he confined within our box.. or we confined within his?

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » June 25th, 2009, 5:13 pm

Full Quiver wrote:Why does He have to appear visibly PA? He is a spirit that wants to dwell within God's children. I don't want a bird entering me at any time. What is the difference in a "heavenly dove" and a dove like the one that hit my windshield the other day?

People are looking for fantasy pastor and we should not play into that. God is not a part of some fantasia but His Word is SURE and it means one thing or another and if you have to reach to an alternative version to try and prove your point then I find that suspicious. In another thread you criticize movies for having a gay agenda but then you quote the NIV. Care to compare the NIV with the KJV while discussing homosexuality?

Danny,

The spiritual realm of God does seem surreal. There is nothing you or I can do to change that. There are multiple examples of spiritual things in God's word that we just do not possess a natural answer for.

As for Bible versions, I'm not a KJV only person. I look to several versions, and often preach from the NASB. My favorite version is the Amplified. Suspicious? I could say the same concerning your desire to frame your beliefs limited to KJV, so that road runs both ways.

As for the forms of God's Spirit, we are getting nowhere with this circular debate. This issue is just like many others. Everyone has an opinion about any particular subject and interpret their scriptures as best as possible. For instance, some have adequate scripture reference for the wearing of jewelry and others have adequate scripture reference against the practice. The bottom line, which is great for all, is that these are not redemption issues.

Yes, the Spirit does desire to dwell within his children, but when we get to heaven where will He be then? I'm sure that debate has taken many directions through the years as well.

Be blessed,
pa

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