Laodicean epistle

[one love]

I am defensive because although I thought the air was clear about this, you came back and declared that it WAS a pot shot. If you knew it was a joke, then why do you come back to drive home your point that it is a pot shot? I stated nothing negative in my joke, yet others joke negatively and you stand up for them.

"A random and easy shot" is in reference to hunting. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pot%20shot

I have gone WAY WAY WAY out of my way to not be negative about TCOG or about my leaving. And so of course I am going to be defensive about someone trying to make it seem like that is what I am doing. I don't want to hurt those that I love, so please don't make me out to be the enemy over something silly like this, that yes I would have joked years ago. You put words in my mouth just now when you said that I am claiming to have been brainwashed, and to see some kind of negativity in my joke. If you go looking for offense, you're gonna find it, no matter what I say.

Yes I stand behind the use of the word pot shot. That IMHO is not saying it is not a joke. I have always said that here about jokes or serious discussions. No I did not put words in your mouth, you claimed you would have beleived anyting they taught, to me that suggest that you are implying that you were brainwashed or could not think for yourelf. Other wise why would you claim to believe anything they said?
Look I am sorry and did not mean it to be nasty. I brought it back up because you acted as if rambo had to defend you when there was nothing to defend.
I have never looked for a offense Rachell relax I am not sure what is behind the defensiveness but If I added to it forgive me and I apologize.....

[A2JGirl]

There you go putting words in my mouth again.

THIS:

I would have come up with that joke a couple years ago, and a few years before that, I would have believed it as truth had it been taught to me.

Does not translate to:

you claimed you would have beleived anyting they taught, to me that suggest that you are implying that you were brainwashed or could not think for yourelf. Other wise why would you claim to believe anything they said?

I said I would have believed THIS:

Because it wasn't addressed to TCOG. It was addressed to a denominational church, the Church of the Laodiceans.

... had it been taught to me. I did not say that I would have believed anything that was taught to me.

I feel like I am being baited to say something negative about TCOG, and I won't be baited. Kevinn, you can count on me to say exactly what I mean, none of this "that implies this or that". If you think that I am saying something other than exactly what I am saying, ask me. You'll probably be wrong.

I did not intend for my joke to be a pot shot, whether or not you think it is, it was not intended to be a criticizing attack of a joke. I cannot change your mind about anything, if you want to continue to think of it that way.

I know that because I left people are going to be nitpicking everything I say. And this is only the beginning. Way to attempt to win me back there, Kevinn!

I think I've said all that I can say so I'll let it go. Sorry for the highjack, FQ!

[Full Quiver]

I think I've said all that I can say so I'll let it go. Sorry for the highjack, FQ!

Just like and ex-TCoGer to stir the pot.

[A2JGirl]

I think I've said all that I can say so I'll let it go. Sorry for the highjack, FQ!

Just like and ex-TCoGer to stir the pot.

NOT you too!!!!!!!! There were NO pots involved!!! AHHHHHH!!!!!

[Full Quiver]

What if I had said stir the weed?

[A2JGirl]

What if I had said stir the weed?

Oh I totally need THAT rumor started. Rachel left and she's smoking weed.

[Full Quiver]

why not, it's all the same.

[one love]

Rachel you are taking me out of context. i even apologized. What more do you want. I should not have said "anything" I thought you would get the jest Of what I was saying.
Second if you think I would bait you then you do not know me very well. I have shown you love and told you I would stand behind you no matter what you choose.
Why throw out such a statement of "way to win me back Kevin" That is placing words in my mouth and making something out of nothing. It also seems to question my integrity as if I am a bad representative for the church . I was taking this as a joke, seriously I was.
Maybe I look at potshots different then you and there is the confusion. I did not mean it hateful or accusatory and if it came out that way I am SORRY.

If I said "COGOP is so liberal that.." as a JOKE I would still laugh and say it was a potshot, (NOTE I am not saying that about COGOP, just a example.)
Lets say this sis. that I should have not used the word pot shot because it seems to hold a more deeper meaning then I have ever used it in the past.


I apologize from the bottom of my heart. I love ya sister Rachel and have respect for you and did not mean any harm at all.

[A2JGirl]

Thanks Kevin. I think you still don't get what I'm saying, but that's ok, there's other things we don't see eye to eye on either.

[rough_rider]

THE EPISTLE OF PAUL THE APOSTLE TO THE LAODICEANS

1. He salutes the brethren. 3. exhorts them to persevere in good works, 4. and not to be moved by vain speaking. 6. Rejoices in his bonds, 10. desires them to live in the fear of the Lord.

1. Paul an Apostle, not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, to the brethren which are at Laodicea.
2. Grace be to you, and peace, from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
3. I thank Christ in every prayer of mine, that you may continue and persevere in good works, looking for that which is promised in the day of judgment.
4. Do not be troubled by the vain speeches of anyone who perverts the truth, that they may draw you aside from the truth of the Gospel which I have preached.
5. And now may God grant that my converts may attain to a perfect knowledge of the truth of the Gospel, be beneficent, and doing good works which accompany salvation.
6. And now my bonds, which I suffer in Christ, are manifest, in which I rejoice and am glad. This epistle, along with those to the Colossians, Ephesians, Philippians, and Philemon were likely written during Paul's Roman captivity, about A.D. 61- 63.

7. For I know that this shall turn to my salvation forever, which shall be through your prayer and the supply of the Holy Spirit.
8. Whether I live or die, to me to live shall be a life to Christ, to die will be joy.
Compare with: "For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain." (Philippians 1:21)

9. And our Lord will grant us his mercy, that you may have the same love, and be like-minded.
10. Wherefore, my beloved, as you have heard of the coming of the Lord, so think and act reverently, and it shall be to you life eternal;
11. For it is God who is working in you; Compare with: "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

12. And do all things without sin.
13. And what is best, my beloved; rejoice in the Lord Jesus Christ, and avoid all filthy lucre.For "filthy lucre" or money, especially gained from sinful activities, see I Timothy 3:3, 8; Titus 1:7, 11; I Peter 5:2. I Timothy 6:10 is often misquoted as "money is the root of all evil," but it really says "the love of money is the root of all evil," meaning the root of all sorts of evil.

14. Let all your requests by made known to God, and be steady in the doctrine of Christ.
15. And whatever things are sound and true, and of good report, and chaste, and just, and lovely, these things do.
Compare with: "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things." (Philippians 4:8)

16. Those things which you have heard and received, think on these things, and peace shall be with you.
17. All the saints salute you.
18. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
19. Cause this Epistle to be read to the Colossians, and the Epistle of the Colossians to be read among you.

[JohnDB]

Back to the Topic of the original post

There is a line of thought that it was the letter originally written to the Ephesians. It appears that any and all of Paul's letters were carried about and shared with the other churchs.

So...the looking for a lost letter here probably isn't warranted.

But I do believe that there actually was a third letter to the Corinthians...now that one is likely lost. How or why...who knows...but God has seen fit to preserve more than enough for us. We have a hard enough time knowing what He has preserved us without worrying too much about what might have been lost.

[Susie Hamilton]

Check out the lost books of the Bible. They were not accepted as cannon but history

[oletimer]

Rahab Posted:

Check out the lost books of the Bible. They were not accepted as cannon but history

Where? Got a link?

[RamboPreacher]

There are many so-called "lost" books of the Bible, as has been portrayed by the secular media, especially in light of relatively recent discovery's of manuscripts about Judas, but it mostly came to a head with scholarly (secular, text-crawling) approaches to the Coptic Gospel of Thomas a couple decades ago. As far as "history" or being accepted as history, there are some that will view some of these manuscripts as historical in nature or even biographical. I am not sure I have read or heard that there is any general consensus of their being historical, though.

The Nag Hamadi "Library", is a great reference for some of these (secularly-referred to as) "lost books" of the Bible. These manuscripts are late in antiquity, as well. some may try to date the Coptic Gospel of Thomas as early as the early second century (or even the late first century!) - most agree that it is middle third to 4th century writing. in fact the Nag Hamadi library contains "heretical" Christian Gnosticism of several views. there were (are) many strands of gnosticism, not a monolith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html
http://www.sacred-texts.com/gno/index.htm
http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html
http://reluctant-messenger.com/lost_forgotten_books.htm
and many more...

[JohnDB]

Here is the Codex Sinaiticus.

It is the oldest intact complete Bible in existance.

It has been released online and completely digitized for translation for the rest of the world to see. It is a truly remarkable website with the tools and photos that it contains.

http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/