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Postby Pastor Gary » August 3rd, 2009, 1:12 pm

"You can be committed to Church but not committed to Christ, but you cannot be committed to Christ and not committed to church."

-- Joel Osteen
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Postby Poimen » August 3rd, 2009, 1:13 pm

Agree (respectively).
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Postby forestwalker » August 3rd, 2009, 1:21 pm

Agree.
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Postby paul » August 3rd, 2009, 1:26 pm

Pastor Gary wrote:"You can be committed to Church but not committed to Christ, but you cannot be committed to Christ and not committed to church."

-- Joel Osteen


agree
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Postby RamboPreacher » August 3rd, 2009, 3:54 pm

agree (though again, church equating to a participatory fellowship)
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Postby dolfan » August 4th, 2009, 7:39 am

It has to be true, even if Joel Osteen said it. :twisted:

Seriously, Jesus prayed that we'd be one with one another, as He is one with the Father. "I in them," He said. There's no real, genuine oneness with Christ without oneness with His people. I know it for real.
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Postby JohnDB » August 4th, 2009, 12:26 pm

I am committed to Christ and his Kingdom. That doesn't include church.

I am committed to the citizenry of the Kingdom of God/Kingdom of Heaven...but not church.

There is a difference. A church has tares, bad fish, and wolves.
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Postby Full Quiver » August 6th, 2009, 7:14 am

I disagree based on a new converts mind or lack of a spiritual mind. So not in all cases is the quote correct in my opinion.
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Postby justsam » August 6th, 2009, 8:27 am

Agree that a maturing walk with the Lord should definitely involve church..new believers generally do gravitate towards church also as they need help with their new walk.

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Postby rough_rider » August 6th, 2009, 12:56 pm

Agree...
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Postby dawgs10 » August 6th, 2009, 1:17 pm

JohnDB wrote:I am committed to Christ and his Kingdom. That doesn't include church.

I am committed to the citizenry of the Kingdom of God/Kingdom of Heaven...but not church.

There is a difference. A church has tares, bad fish, and wolves.


the church is the bride of Christ. you cant except him and not his bride!!!

so i agree with the statement.
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Postby Full Quiver » August 7th, 2009, 2:25 am

Dude, I got friends but I don't care for their wives. Jesus loves everyone but churches don't!
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Postby rough_rider » August 7th, 2009, 6:38 am

Full Quiver wrote:Dude, I got friends but I don't care for their wives. Jesus loves everyone but churches don't!
The true Church does love everyone, walking in the Spirit manifests that kind of love, in ourselves that is an impossible task for sure. How can one pray and bless others without loving them?
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Postby Full Quiver » August 7th, 2009, 9:54 am

Rough Rider, Jesus said you will be known as my disciples by the love you have ONE FOR ANOTHER not by the love you have for everyone. It's hard to love people at times and if you say you love me the first time you meet me then I say hogwash because you really don't.
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Postby RamboPreacher » August 7th, 2009, 10:13 am

which has even more impact if you don't equate disciples and "Christians".
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