Kaufman baby death update

[Full Quiver]

Shepherd, I wasn't thrilled by how some of my words were portrayed either Bishop but the simple fact remains that TCoG members and leaders brought this ALL upon the group. Sam is a pastor, the regional overseer and his wife were on site, the general overseer and his wife were on site, another pastor's wife was on site, I believe a deacon was also in the room. So here we find all sorts of licensed and even ordained members of TCoG participating in the death of a helpless child and now everyone wants it to just go away. These guys made a terrible decision that resulted in the death of a child and should result in discipline of ministers and even the GO.Well you have to take the good with the bad. Sweeping this under the rug won't help anyone in the long run.

What probably will happen though is that the committees will continually cower down and not face Stephen Smith saying this is not the right time.

Go ahead, turn a few more folks out for failure to tithe, in your opinion, but by all means continue to allow your ministry to make these things public and tie up the phone lines with gossip.

[A2JGirl]

TCOG folks should consider this: Just as the reporter associated Stephen Smith's beliefs with the entire organization, so do a lot of other people. Is that really what you want to be represented as? You are defined by your leader, for better or for worse.

[EagerBeaver]

TCOG folks should consider this: Just as the reporter associated Stephen Smith's beliefs with the entire organization, so do a lot of other people. Is that really what you want to be represented as? You are defined by your leader, for better or for worse.

Which is exactly why COGOP for years has struggled to get out of the AJT shadow, but that's a different story entirely...

[ImaPK]

Poiman,welcome to the club DASAS Danny Attacks So And So.... Been there done that The club is huge because Danny ATTACKS ANYONE who doesn't agree with him I see nothing has changed with him while I was offline I will take this chance though to say thanks Danny for honoring mine and my brother Doug's request when my mom died,and I am sincere when I say that(believe it or not)

[Full Quiver]

See it the way you want Mike but I am convinced that neither of your parents would have agreed that this baby should have been denied medical treatment. As I remember it they both died in a hospital and were treated with prayer as well.

As far as changing that goes both ways as well. You are still bitter about some things I suppose even after all this time offline.

[rough_rider]

This is one thread that should be locked and tossed into the deepest pit you got.

[paul]

This is one thread that should be locked and tossed into the deepest pit you got.

[one love]

This is one thread that should be locked and tossed into the deepest pit you got.

I do agree just as I did with the last one. I cant stand to see Brothers and sisters at odds with one another and there is still a family (regardless of your beliefs) that lost a baby and needs prayer.

[ImaPK]

See it the way you want Mike but I am convinced that neither of your parents would have agreed that this baby should have been denied medical treatment. As I remember it they both died in a hospital and were treated with prayer as well.

As far as changing that goes both ways as well. You are still bitter about some things I suppose even after all this time offline.

You're right Danny, my parents would have screamed at the top of their lungs for a doctor for the baby. And as I stated on another thread,YES, they did die in a hospital with prayers being said all around them. Bitter is not the word that comes to mind when I think of the things you said to me in the past. Remeber, I'm NOT a Christian so my word is alot harsher.

[Pastor Gary]

This is one thread that should be locked and tossed into the deepest pit you got.

I do agree just as I did with the last one. I cant stand to see Brothers and sisters at odds with one another and there is still a family (regardless of your beliefs) that lost a baby and needs prayer.

If we locked down or removed every thread that was requested this would be a ghost town. The best way for stupidity to be exposed is to allow people to keep talking and talking, eventually showing their true colors... the old "give them enough rope..." concept.

[one love]

See it the way you want Mike but I am convinced that neither of your parents would have agreed that this baby should have been denied medical treatment. As I remember it they both died in a hospital and were treated with prayer as well.

As far as changing that goes both ways as well. You are still bitter about some things I suppose even after all this time offline.

You're right Danny, my parents would have screamed at the top of their lungs for a doctor for the baby. And as I stated on another thread,YES, they did die in a hospital with prayers being said all around them. Bitter is not the word that comes to mind when I think of the things you said to me in the past. Remeber, I'm NOT a Christian so my word is alot harsher.

I sure loved your Father!

[one love]

This is one thread that should be locked and tossed into the deepest pit you got.

I do agree just as I did with the last one. I cant stand to see Brothers and sisters at odds with one another and there is still a family (regardless of your beliefs) that lost a baby and needs prayer.

If we locked down or removed every thread that was requested this would be a ghost town. The best way for stupidity to be exposed is to allow people to keep talking and talking, eventually showing their true colors... the old "give them enough rope..." concept.

Who is being hung??? j/k

[Ilovebigcats]

This is one thread that should be locked and tossed into the deepest pit you got.

I do agree just as I did with the last one. I cant stand to see Brothers and sisters at odds with one another and there is still a family (regardless of your beliefs) that lost a baby and needs prayer.

If we locked down or removed every thread that was requested this would be a ghost town. The best way for stupidity to be exposed is to allow people to keep talking and talking, eventually showing their true colors... the old "give them enough rope..." concept.

[macgulley]