Agree or disagree?

[JohnDB]

I am committed to Christ and his Kingdom. That doesn't include church.

I am committed to the citizenry of the Kingdom of God/Kingdom of Heaven...but not church.

There is a difference. A church has tares, bad fish, and wolves.

the church is the bride of Christ. you cant except him and not his bride!!!

so i agree with the statement.

Church is not the same as the "Called out ones"/ecclesia. You can call them what you like...but I don't think of them as church. The church of late has abdicated many roles in service, witnessing, and preaching the good news. I find them usually filled with politics, infighting, and backbiting. (mostly because mankind has a sinful nature)

That isn't to say though that the citizenry of the Kingdom of God is something that I ever turn my back on. I help and support them for all I am worth...they are my family. Without them I am all alone in this world.

There is a difference here between the two that you are missing. Church is man centered. Kingdom citizens are Christ Centered.

[RamboPreacher]

I guess that for me the differentiation you speak of is the "visible church" and the "invisible church", and the need to let the tares and wheat grow together until the judgment.

[JohnDB]

Not neccesarily.

The citizenry regularly makes mistakes (sins) because we are human...I ain't talking about that.

What I am talking about is going where you know you should but don't.

For example:
Most agree that the church should minister to where people live...not where they want them to be living when they pick them up and invite them. As a consequence of this the church has dismissed over half of the population here in america alone. Most "Churchs" refuse to have services when they are off work and fail to minister to them because of past sins and current careers.

YOU CAN FIX THIS OVERSIGHT.

It may cost you your hard fought career....it can cause you to be called a heretic...but in the grand scheme of things what is more important? Doing as God really called us to be and do...or making man happy?

This isn't pointed so much at you Rambo as it is all. The church has corporate judgment facing it unless single parent families' needs are adressed and quickly. Many don't like the "single again" crowd or the single parent crowd...they are messy and unchurched in the least (some of them do have church backgrounds but feel ostracised now)

The cost is going to be high...not so much in money but in real effort and time and political capital. Most are too scared no matter how strong a calling they may have to do something about it.