Clunker Program Alert

[rough_rider]

I thought I'd pass this info along.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM30nqfa ... r_embedded

[MacUser]

Freakin' Zowie!!!




This is only a snippet of the legalize that the Govt now owns your computer and any files, communication you do after clicking on it.

[RamboPreacher]

old. none of those clips are accurate of the site now.

[Ilovebigcats]

I dont know if it is a coincidence or not but Danny clicked on that link on his computer at work and his monitor started flashing and his computer shut completely down. It wont turn on at all now.

I am NOT clicking the link to check.

[RamboPreacher]

There is a lot of great information on the www.cars.gov website, if you are looking fo info on the program. there is no prerequisite pop-up, there is no other apps loaded.

from the downloadable pdf:
New CARS Guidance
In response to overwhelming interest in the CARS program, NHTSA has clarified that consumers who
want to purchase new vehicles not yet on dealer lots can still be eligible for the CARS program. Dealers
and consumers who have reached a valid purchase and sale agreement on a vehicle already in the
production pipeline will be able to work with the manufacturer to receive the documentation needed to
qualify for the program.
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YOU ASKED. WE LISTENED.
We’ve heard that dealers are asking consumers to sign agreements with contingencies when they
participate in the CARS program.
CONSUMERS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO SIGN CONTINGENCY AGREEMENTS TO PAY
BACK THE DEALER SHOULD THE CARS CREDIT BE REJECTED.
To find out more about dealer contingencies click here.
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Important Information on new MPG
Ratings:
In conjunction with the CARS final rule, EPA updated fuel economy data on fueleconomy.gov on July
24th. The changes affected the eligibility of certain vehicles under the CARS program.
Of the 30,000 vehicle model types spanning 25 years, 78 cars no longer qualify, but 86 new vehicles are
now eligible.
NHTSA will process transactions in accordance with the data on fueleconomy.gov. The 78 vehicle model
types that were eligible under EPA's mileage criteria until EPA's revisions were issued on July 24th will
continue to be considered as eligible for transactions that occurred on or before July 24th.
The 86 model types that became eligible on July 24th will be treated as eligible if they are part of sale or
lease that occurred on or after July 24th.
Click here to view the list of eligible cars
Click here to view the list of ineligible cars
To search all vehicles, click the MPG Ratings tab at the top of the page
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What is the Car Allowance Rebate
System?
The CAR Allowance Rebate System (CARS) is a $3 billion government program that helps consumers buy
or lease a more environmentally friendly vehicle from a participating dealer when they trade in a less fuelefficient
car or truck. The program is designed to energize the economy; boost auto sales and put safer,
cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the nation's roadways.
Consumers will be able to take advantage of this program and receive a $3,500 or $4,500 discount from the
car dealer when they trade in their old vehicle and purchase or lease a new one. Consumers you do not need
to register anywhere or at anytime for this program. However, to find out eligibility requirements click
here.
What is NHTSA doing to guard against fraud? Click here for more information. Allegations of fraud may
be reported by calling our toll-free 24-hour hotline at 1-800-424-9071.
NHTSA will strictly enforce all CARS Program requirements stated in the CARS Act and the regulations.
Check back to this site often for updates and further information.
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Consumer Bill of Rights
• Qualified consumers may participate in the CARS Program between July 1, 2009 and November
1, 2009 or when authorized funds are no longer available.
• Qualified consumers will receive a credit of $3,500 or $4,500 for an eligible trade-in toward the
purchase of lease of an approved vehicle under CARS Program.
• Qualified consumers will receive the $3,500 or $4,500 credit at the time the purchase their new
vehicle.
• Dealers must provide consumers with any other advertised rebates or discounts in addition to the
credit they receive through the CARS Program.
• Consumers should expect to conduct their deals at their dealership of choice, not on the Internet.
• Consumers should expect the dealers to provide their best estimate of the scrap value for their
eligible trade-in vehicle. Dealers are allowed to deduct $50 from this value for their administrative
costs.
• Consumers should expect that all information collected through the CARS Program will be kept
confidential. Social Security numbers are not required for a CARS transaction.

[MacUser]

Rambo,
Sure.. But this just bears witness to a larger privacy issue building.

Other Examples:
1) White House sending AARP unsolicited PUSH emails.
2) Flag@whitehouse.gov email to rat out on your fellow citizen or negative arguments against White House Agendas.
3) Generation of Enemies lists

They speak clearly to the over reach into our private citizen rights.

[Full Quiver]

My office computer is toast now!

[RamboPreacher]

Rambo,
Sure.. But this just bears witness to a larger privacy issue building.

Other Examples:
1) White House sending AARP unsolicited PUSH emails.
2) Flag@whitehouse.gov email to rat out on your fellow citizen or negative arguments against White House Agendas.
3) Generation of Enemies lists

They speak clearly to the over reach into our private citizen rights.

agreed.

[Billy n NC]

I was listening to Clark Howard on radio today.

A guy had gone into a dealership.
Negotiated a price for a car.
Netotiated a loan for a car.

Then told them he had a old car he wanted to
turn infor the clunker gov program

Car price went up $1800. They told him Paper Work
Red Tape handling fee.

Clark was scratching his head on this one. Said he was not
sure if it was legal or not but it sure was wrong.. LOL

[MacUser]

Car price went up $1800. They told him Paper Work
Red Tape handling fee.

I've always purchased cars this way. I walk in with my check book open ready to write a check. I tell the Salesman to get his general manager right then and give me his as I walk out the door deal.

Also get on the web and locate all the dealerships of the vehicle you want. Have them all fax the best price on vehicle x. Then fax them all back the lowest price and keep working the group. You can drop 5 to 6 grand instantly before you even show up at the dealership. Get the final price faxed back and signed by owner/general manger.

I bluffed off a grand once right before closing using the above method.

If any trade-ins. Do it then. IF any raise the price.. then state you're going to another dealer that won't.

Btw.. never fall in love with a specific vehicle. Spec out what you want, options, colors and this handicaps 90% of the high pressure sale especially via fax. It becomes just a unit to move.

[dolfan]

That's all it is, a carriage to get from one place to another. "Loving" a car is the worse way to be a customer in buying one. I've waited 6 months in buying a car until I've found the one I want at the price I want to pay. No emotion, you have to be ruthless about it, unless you can afford not to be of course.

[rough_rider]

Interesting....

http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/clunkers.asp