The elephant in the room

[scooter]

And there you have it. Paul, you can't just go into those foreign countries and tell the heathen savages about Jesus; first you have to Americanize them and teach them how to dress like proper white, middle-class Americans.

Response: Now don't go lumping all of us in the same basket case.

You might could get away with Alabaminize but I know there have to be some good people there, so we are going to have to name this elephant something else.

TCogized?

Legalized?

SisterBerthaBetterthanyouized?

No I've never but I sure know how you're supposed to ized!

[RaceRunner]

Well, here ya go....

Sin And Shame (excerpt from M. A. Tomlinson's Annual Address 1969)

This will come as a huge shock, I know, but the canon of scripture is closed. I know... hard to believe... but the Annual Addresses of any leader of any group being cited as "evidence" as if they were scripture is pretty... pretty... I don't know: laughable?

I didn't expect you to buy it.

However, you offered no scripture either.

So if we are comparing your statements with his........the evidence lies in this:


He logged more miles...

Visited more countries....

Met more "savages"...

Probably won more souls....

And had more successes in His fields of labour...

than you and Paul (probably all of us) put together

before most of us were born.


His record and experience speaks for itself.

Hardly laughable.


...

[Pastor Gary]

Well, here ya go....

Sin And Shame (excerpt from M. A. Tomlinson's Annual Address 1969)

This will come as a huge shock, I know, but the canon of scripture is closed. I know... hard to believe... but the Annual Addresses of any leader of any group being cited as "evidence" as if they were scripture is pretty... pretty... I don't know: laughable?

I didn't expect you to buy it.

However, you offered no scripture either.

So if we are comparing your statements with his........the evidence lies in this:


He logged more miles...

Visited more countries....

Met more "savages"...

Probably won more souls....

And had more successes in His fields of labour...

than you and Paul (probably all of us) put together

before most of us were born.


His record and experience speaks for itself.

Hardly laughable.


...

ME? I am a nobody doing nothing. PAUL? I challenge you to provide empirical evidence to demonstrate that MAT traveled more miles and won more souls than Paul Roberts. Doubt it. SERIOUSLY doubt it.

[RaceRunner]

Well, here ya go....

Sin And Shame (excerpt from M. A. Tomlinson's Annual Address 1969)

This will come as a huge shock, I know, but the canon of scripture is closed. I know... hard to believe... but the Annual Addresses of any leader of any group being cited as "evidence" as if they were scripture is pretty... pretty... I don't know: laughable?

I didn't expect you to buy it.

However, you offered no scripture either.

So if we are comparing your statements with his........the evidence lies in this:


He logged more miles...

Visited more countries....

Met more "savages"...

Probably won more souls....

And had more successes in His fields of labour...

than you and Paul (probably all of us) put together

before most of us were born.


His record and experience speaks for itself.

Hardly laughable.


...

ME? I am a nobody doing nothing. PAUL? I challenge you to provide empirical evidence to demonstrate that MAT traveled more miles and won more souls than Paul Roberts. Doubt it. SERIOUSLY doubt it.

Bro. Tomlinson, I'm sure, would be more than happy for every one of us to surpass his record, experience and achievements.

I don't have to provide empirical evidence....God keeps the most accurate records on everyone...including mine.

[dawgs10]

Well, here ya go....

Sin And Shame (excerpt from M. A. Tomlinson's Annual Address 1969)

This will come as a huge shock, I know, but the canon of scripture is closed. I know... hard to believe... but the Annual Addresses of any leader of any group being cited as "evidence" as if they were scripture is pretty... pretty... I don't know: laughable?

Pastor Gary, i respect you very much!!! i dont know you personaly but i know of your work in the state you are in and i think i can tell where your heart is. the thing that seems to happen every time i post a direct question or statement to you, you ignore it. i clarified my stance on the thread and in a pm. and you ignore it. it seems to me that you do not respect my view on most things or you would not ignore clarifications and answers to your questions or your direct statements. just a fyi! so i will clarify my position again. it does not matter what culture you are in. you must use the word of God as your road map. if a women dresses in a sexualy provocative manner to get that kind of attention on a beach or anywhere else it is wrong. and it does result in men lusting after her. my point of view. NO MATTER WHAT THE CULTURE!!!

[Pastor Gary]

Pastor Gary, i respect you very much!!! i dont know you personaly but i know of your work in the state you are in and i think i can tell where your heart is. the thing that seems to happen every time i post a direct question or statement to you, you ignore it. i clarified my stance on the thread and in a pm. and you ignore it. it seems to me that you do not respect my view on most things or you would not ignore clarifications and answers to your questions or your direct statements. just a fyi! so i will clarify my position again. it does not matter what culture you are in. you must use the word of God as your road map. if a women dresses in a sexualy provocative manner to get that kind of attention on a beach or anywhere else it is wrong. and it does result in men lusting after her. my point of view. NO MATTER WHAT THE CULTURE!!!

No disrespect intended. I am not intentionally ignoring you, or anyone else. I am just really busy, and I pop in here now and then to stir the pot before it burns.

[Shepherd]

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[paul]

Well, here ya go....

Sin And Shame (excerpt from M. A. Tomlinson's Annual Address 1969)

This will come as a huge shock, I know, but the canon of scripture is closed. I know... hard to believe... but the Annual Addresses of any leader of any group being cited as "evidence" as if they were scripture is pretty... pretty... I don't know: laughable?

I don't think it laughable that the words of a former General Overseer are relevant to the discussion. At the very least, it is a point of interest, even if not as inspired as the words of the Big Kahuna of Jude 2. Do you really feel so insecure in your view as to falsely accuse of those of a different opinion as elevating the words of M. A. Tomlinson to inspired Scripture? And while I am talking about false accusations, who has said on this board that all cultures must dress the same if they are to be modest? I, for one, and I believe the apostle Paul for another am convinced that God's standard is not immodesty in any culture. Gary, if you are trying to make me believe that you think that in any culture, anything goes, in regards to indecent attire, you have not succeeded.

Shepherd

I emboldened the words were I again feel some are missing the mark by. In my oponion I see no one saying that we throw modesty (or clothes) to the wind. From experience I know first hand that in areas of the world modesty is viewd different than our victorian mindset. Again what troubles me is when we pass our understanding of modesty upon others. And if they don't measure to our definition we see them as lesser, or not as spiritual. That is absolutely a wrong spirit.

Now, I will not speak for Pastor Gary. But, all to often men are cited as evidence of scriptural proof. Generally when these names are tossed into the ring it is to say; you're not as spiritual as they are and this is what they say, and they know the word better than you. That is most always the case.

One of my breaking point wiith the cogop was when my state overseer in the annual pastor meeting following the G.A. told us as pastors that when the committiees met and made decisions and they were ratified by the assembly. They were as valid and as the Scriptures. That started my exit.

[Paully_44]

ME? I am a nobody doing nothing. PAUL? I challenge you to provide empirical evidence to demonstrate that MAT traveled more miles and won more souls than Paul Roberts. Doubt it. SERIOUSLY doubt it.

maybe not, but isnt he the 4th part of the Trinity?

[Shepherd]

ME? I am a nobody doing nothing. PAUL? I challenge you to provide empirical evidence to demonstrate that MAT traveled more miles and won more souls than Paul Roberts. Doubt it. SERIOUSLY doubt it.

maybe not, but isnt he the 4th part of the Trinity?

No, Paul doesn't claim to be the 4th part of the Trinity.

[justsam]

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.