Would EVOLUTION undermine your FAITH??

Russell Roberts · Postby **Russell Roberts** » August 29th, 2009, 12:43 am

If you were presented with irrefutable evidence that evolution was true, would it undermine your faith? I am not interested here in a discussion of the merits of either side of the debate. Only in whether it would undermine your faith if evolution was PROVEN to be true.

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » August 29th, 2009, 5:20 am

Russell Roberts wrote:If you were presented with irrefutable evidence that evolution was true, would it undermine your faith? I am not interested here in a discussion of the merits of either side of the debate. Only in whether it would undermine your faith if evolution was PROVEN to be true.

There is no unified "theory of evolution". I can't answer your question because there are many theories. Personaly, the word evolution is not a "bad word". I do not believe that speciation (of kinds, specifically), is even an option. Though there are many changes, adaptations etc. the base line in evolution that most people equate with "the theory of evolution" is life from non-life, and millions and billions of years of random chaos.

So participating in a "what if" as you propose, the variables would need to be listed as part of the what if scenario, so that assumptions and miscommunications are avoided as possible. as example, I can say thar I believe in evolution. but as part of that in context is that I do not believe that man(kind) evolved from something other than man(kind); and further abiogenesis is in incorrect paradigm/a priori.

dolfan · Postby **dolfan** » August 29th, 2009, 5:29 am

No, it wouldn't. Not one whit. If it were proven by sound science to be so, it still wouldn't diminish my faith or my reasons for believing not one little bit.

Some kind of evolution, species change, has occurred. Our skulls are different than those of our way, way, way, way back ancestors. Skeletal remains of sea turtles, big 'uns, have been found in central Alabama farm land soil. So, yeah, something in the way of evolution has happened. That in no way removes God from the process of creation or ruling over it. The Bible does not exhaustively explain it all. We can know our Creator without knowing how He brought it all about. It is part of the mystery of God.

Furthermore, I personally remain unsettled about the nature of time and space. It doesn't bother me when scientists speak of billions of years of universal history. There are things about the nature of time/space that probably make our highest understanding of the physical universe look like a child's understanding of the sun going up and down. We're pitifully underinformed, so I'm not about to allow the "best information" of today's science -- as well reasoned as it may be -- inform me about the reason for my faith. You ask me how I know He lives? He lives within my heart.

Dr. Ron · Postby **Dr. Ron** » August 29th, 2009, 5:59 am

No....period.

beckrl · Postby **beckrl** » August 29th, 2009, 7:33 am

If evolution of man has become more than a theory, Why so long in proving it? evolution of evolution in theory!! :lol:

ImaPK · Postby **ImaPK** » August 29th, 2009, 7:34 am

Ok I'm gonna put on my armour before I say this. Look at the "evolution" of the car. From the beginning to today. Changed alot ain't it? When God started the Creation I like to think he made certain "models" that over "time" he discontinued.(think Edsel) Most lifeforms have "ancestors" that no longer exist. God kept "improving" the "models" until we have what we have today. After the Rapture there will be even "newer" and "better" models. Think about it. Ok start slinging and shooting. :wink:

Russell Roberts · Postby **Russell Roberts** » August 29th, 2009, 7:51 am

Thanks for the responses. So far, it seems to be the concensus that no, it would not undermine your faith. That's good. We should remember Copernicus who contended that we live in a heliocentric universe and who was persecuted by the church simply for speaking the truth. Good answers. I love you guys...and bless you.

ImaPK · Postby **ImaPK** » August 29th, 2009, 8:55 am

Russell, what little faith I have would not be shaken in case you're wondering. I might be a sinner but I believe that God did create ALL things.

Russell Roberts · Postby **Russell Roberts** » August 29th, 2009, 9:18 am

ImaPK,

I too believe that God created all things. Bless you.

Mike Vande · Postby **Mike Vande** » August 29th, 2009, 3:07 pm

My faith was not a result of intellectual proofs arrived at through a process of debate, internal or external. The faith that changed my life was a gift. One minute I didn't have it, the next minute I did. I didn't know scripture well at the time, but I ran across one later that says we are saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves, lest any man should boast. It is the gift of God.

At this point in time, it actually takes more blind acceptance to believe in macro-evolution than it does in to believe in a creator God. I say more because there is no supernatural gift of faith in evolution being given out by the scientists and ideologues who preach it as reality, whereas the gift of faith I received happens often enough that the statistical evidence of it alone is undeniable.

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