This is bound to draw fire

[Russell Roberts]

Dolfan,

What you say is true. They should be subject to the laws of the government though a bit of civil disobedience might be in order. Where they are being oppressed, the United States has a role to play. But as noted in the video Pastor Gary posted, our policies are being guided by a misled eschatological scenario. It grieves me to no end that folks like Hagee have the kind of pull they have. He really thinks he is leading the new exodus. Well, I got news for him. Jesus already led and continues to lead the true exodus. As I see it, this is another area where we must inform and confront both the church and the civil government.

[MacUser]

Where they are being oppressed, the United States has a role to play.

Sure. To what extent? Would you say this is a role? Yes/No?

Iraq's Oppressed Majority
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-pl ... essed.html

Shiites form the majority in Iraq—as many as 15 million out of a population of 24 million. Nonetheless, Shiites have never held power in Iraq nor fully participated in its government, and at times have been brutally repressed.

[Russell Roberts]

Macuser, I very briefly looked over the article (lunch calls). I think we have a diplomatic role to play.

[dolfan]

There was a time, long ago, when I thought John Hagee was worth listening to. I was disabused of that idea soon enough. He's a TBN hack as far as I'm concerned. Whatever else he may say about Israel and his fixation on being an armchair Jew is beside the point for me. I expect to see him on the other side, both of us gloriously slimmer than we are now, but I figure by then we'll both have something worthwhile to talk about. For now, I'm not buying what he's selling.

[JohnDB]

This is one of those things that is absolutely baffling to me.

I dated a Jewish lady for a period of time. (Messianic now but raised Jewish)

She has a real blind spot when it comes to Israel and the race of Jews. I showed her a couple of times how the inclusion of the Gentiles was planned and carried out...that it wasn't about replacing the Israelites with Gentiles (Church age) or anything like that...it always has been an inclusionary thought line.

For whatever reason she wouldn't go along with what she knew to be right...she had to have her Zionistic beliefs. She woulnd't let go of them for anything...in spite of scripture that plainly showed how both were important...neither was unimportant...both sides of the changing of the Covenant were neccesary for the other ones. Didn't matter...she believed in Zionism and that was the end of it.

Some people just prefer the lie...

Needless to say...we didn't ever persue the relationship much longer. I have a whole ajenda to fulfill....and this amongst other things was going to stand in the way of that.