Pastor/overseer/youth leader/song leader (worship leader) et

one love · Postby **one love** » September 10th, 2009, 7:04 am

First I would ask that nobody brings up any organization in this discussion at all. I am in the hotel resting during the break and I wanted to talk about this. We have people here from many different church organizations with great insight and I am curious what you think.

Could ones past hinder them from any of these positions? Would it be ALL of these positions or just certain ones.

Would it be offenses that were made before salvation that could hinder them as well? If so what?

Do you feel it is only ones past (or sins they committed) while being a pastor/overseer/song leader etc.?

Or do you feel that when God forgives they should be able to do any of these jobs again.

Example:

A man is pastor of a church and after a few years they find out he has been having a affair while he was a pastor. If he made it right with the Lord, family and church could he pastor again or hold any position?

Same goes if someone had a affair before he was ever saved. When he gets saved ten years later could he hold a position?

Is there any thing you feel that would eliminate one from doing one of these jobs. If so is it only when they were pastoring and commiting (whatever wrongs you choose), or even before they ever met Jesus?

Thanks

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » September 10th, 2009, 7:38 am

sin. get the stones!
(just kidding)

dalebert · Postby **dalebert** » September 10th, 2009, 10:58 am

Not really sure I understand your question but I will try….If one has been saved of his past sins…then whatever he/she is called of God to do…they should do it! . If one has sinned while they are in office of a position /calling and they repent, they should have a time period to show the worthiness of their repentances and be restored to their office(if they so desire) of calling. When the prodigal son returned, he went back to the position he had in his father’s house. He was restored!

ImaPK · Postby **ImaPK** » September 11th, 2009, 4:26 pm

One of the favorite sayings of my dad was "The only thing a minister has is their reputation and if you lose a good one it's hard to get it back." Does God forgive sin? Yes. Does God "throw it in the sea of forgetfulness"? So I'm told. Is man capable of forgiving sin? Yes. Can man forget? Not likely. (Ever had an argument with your spouse and they can remember it years later? :lol:

) I have a hard time grasping the concept that if one sins while in a position that after forgiveness God would "call" them back to that position. (think Jimmy Swaggert or Jim Baker) For one thing God would know that people would have a hard time forgetting the past. Oh I'm sure you can site examples to me of ministers "restored" but in the back of everyones mind the thought is there..."Will they do it again?"

oletimer · Postby **oletimer** » September 11th, 2009, 5:56 pm

ImaPK

I have a hard time grasping the concept that if one sins while in a position that after forgiveness God would "call" them back to that position. (think Jimmy Swaggert or Jim Baker)

Jimmy Swaggert is still preaching after repenting. No longer the high profile that he once was.

Jim Baker I don't know either he or his wife died.

paul · Postby **paul** » September 11th, 2009, 6:16 pm

oletimer wrote:
ImaPK

I have a hard time grasping the concept that if one sins while in a position that after forgiveness God would "call" them back to that position. (think Jimmy Swaggert or Jim Baker)

Jimmy Swaggert is still preaching after repenting. No longer the high profile that he once was.

Jim Baker I don't know either he or his wife died.

Tammy baker died of cancer. Jim is still ministering the word.

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » September 11th, 2009, 6:36 pm

one at a time, with discretion and discernment.

stevenson · Postby **stevenson** » September 12th, 2009, 2:17 am

Romans 11:28-32

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. 32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

God has already answered that question in His Word.

Jude 2